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11-09-2004, 05:51 PM
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Can anyone fold this?
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed)
reads are that MP3 is 90/11 over 60 hands BB is 10/3 over 60 hands I have no real read on their postflop play for obvious reasons... Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. Flop: (6.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls. Turn: (4.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls. River: (7.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB 3-bets</font> ,Hero... 
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#2
11-09-2004, 05:56 PM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
I would say no. The only hand that beats you is KJ, and most probably KJs since it's rather unlikely that MP3 called 2 cold with KJ pre-flop. BB could probably have it. However, they were only getting 7-to-1 on the flop, making that gutshot call rather unlikely unless they also had a flush draw. You beat a lot of hands (2 pairs, sets, lower straights) and tie any other jack. I say folding this is a mistake.
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#4
11-09-2004, 06:07 PM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
Do you even need to ask? Strange that KJ (if you did in fact lose) didn't come alive on the turn..
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#5
11-09-2004, 06:49 PM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
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River: (7.70 BB) 3 (3 players) BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB 3-bets ,Hero... [/ QUOTE ] caps... anyone else not do this because the only hand that wins is K-J and if they had that they hit their straight on the turn. However, on the turn there was no action after you bet. You cannot fold here and i would cap 99% of the time
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#6
11-09-2004, 07:12 PM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
I'd cap it. I'd like to know a little more about BB's postflop tendencies, but barring a ultra-passive read on him, I'd reraise hoping (at worst) to pick up an extra half a bet from MP3 when I chop this pot with BB's JT.
I, like others, am perplexed by the 3-bet given the turn action. Generally, I try not to attribute too much analytical ability to my Party opponents, but I would have thought a player like BB would have check-raised the turn, given the opportunity to trap both you and MP3.
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#9
11-09-2004, 07:47 PM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
C'mon guys. The explanation is simple.
When hero raises pre-flop the villains put him on AA-KK-QQ-AK-AQ. MP3 called with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] because he never mucks any hand that has a shot at a royal flush. BB called with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] because his birthday is August 3rd, plus it was suited. The rest of the hand plays itself. MP3 didn't raise the turn because he did not want you to fold your AA, of course.
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#10
11-10-2004, 06:05 AM
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Re: Can anyone fold this?
One of the players very likely has K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and is free rolling the turn, decided to get cocky and fancy just calling, and now is fishing the river.
You lose this hand, but the correct decision is to call the river-3 bet and suck it in when you see you have lost.
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