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11-09-2004, 11:33 AM
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River Lay Down -- Stupid??
Pacific Poker 2/4 Loose Passive
Hero MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises </font>, LP calls, CO folds, <font color="red"> Button 3-bets </font>, folded to Hero, Hero calls, LP calls. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 handed) Checked to button, who bets. Hero and LP call. Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero checks, Button raises, Hero folds. Bad fold?? I felt I was drawing to 3 dirty outs, the queens. Was that too presumptuous? gm 
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#2
11-09-2004, 12:16 PM
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Re: River Lay Down -- Stupid??
What about your J outs? 3 to the nuts for a likely split pot, the other makes a b-door flush for somebody. I would count those as two outs effectively, as you said the Q outs aren't too hot as you could easily be dominated by AA, AK, KK, and they put a lovely 4-card straight on board (possible since LP could have who-knows-what).
I think you're read on the button is the critical aspect here - even in these passive games there are LAGs capable of overplaying things like QQ, JJ, or AJ (or worse) here, so you could be good unimproved a decent fraction of the time. Throwing in just a few partial outs while getting around 8.5-1 should allow you to see the river. If button is very aggro I raise here to exclude LP. Maybe make this play anyway?? I'm not real comfortable in these situations yet, I probably couldn't lay this down even against passive opponents, so I'm curious to hear what some veterans have to say.
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#3
11-09-2004, 12:36 PM
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Re: River Lay Down -- Stupid??
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Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero checks, Button raises, Hero folds. [/ QUOTE ] I'm assuming LP bet, then button raised. If so, I think this is a good fold. Your Q outs are tainted, your J outs could lead to a split pot. Even your A outs are tainted to the likely button who has Aces up. Edit: And...i'm assuming you meant to say "Turn Lay Down" in the posts Subject
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#5
11-09-2004, 08:12 PM
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Re: River Lay Down -- Stupid??
I'm assuming LP bet, then button raised.
Yes. That is what I meant. And...i'm assuming you meant to say "Turn Lay Down" in the posts Subject Again, yes. Sorry about that. I'm on West Coast time and posted this at around 7 in the morning... gm
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