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Old 11-08-2004, 12:17 PM
RavenJackson RavenJackson is offline
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Default Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB

I have been kicking myself all weekend about this play. This is a construct from memory as I did not pull the hand history.

UB 10.00 + 1.00 [approx. 960 entries]. 14 players left. Table is 6 handed. Blinds 750/1500 and antes 100.

Raven-Jackson BB (t30,000)
UTG (xxx)
UTG+1 (xxx)
MP (t30,000)
Button (xxx)
SB (t13,000)

Preflop: Raven-Jackson is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP calls t1500, button folds, sb raises to 13,000 [all-in], Raven-Jackson calls [mistake #1], MP thinks, thinks, and calls [crap].

Flop: (t39,600) K, x, x (3 players) [crap again]
Raven-Jackson bets t17,000 [all-in] [Mistake #2], MP calls.

Turn: (t73,600) x (3 players all-in)

River: (t73,600) x (3 players all-in)

Now it doesn't take a genius to put the MP on a K and he turns up K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to take the pot and put me out [sb had A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and did not improve].

As soon as MP called I knew I should have pushed all-in pre-flop. I was lulled into a sense of security because the table was playing really tight [lots of stealing from the button] and the MP had limped in to see the flop.

In hindsight I think that my calling the sb pre-flop put the mp in a position where the odds dictated that he had to call. Am I right?

Post-flop was pure stupidity, I was out of position and tried to take the pot. If I folded I would have had enough life to make the final table. Instead I am out in 14th.
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:21 PM
RavenJackson RavenJackson is offline
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Default Re: Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB

I see there is a QQ theme today.
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:25 PM
Aodhan Aodhan is offline
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Default Re: Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB

Yes, you did make a mistake not pushing all in to get heads up, but FWIW, I think KJo made a mistake by calling. He has two players all in, and has to call 1/2 his stack on a marginal hand (Even short handed). He's dominated by AK and KQ, way behind AA and KK, and on the short side of a coinflip against any lower pair.

He made a mistake calling, but I agree the move was to push all in preflop to isolate.

Aodhan
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Old 11-08-2004, 02:50 PM
RavenJackson RavenJackson is offline
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Default Re: Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB

Thanks for your reply. My initial feeling was "why did he call with KJo"; however, I then considered that I might have made the pot odds to good to pass up.
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Old 11-08-2004, 08:56 PM
TheDrone TheDrone is offline
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Default Re: Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB

I think mistake #2 is worse than #1. Why push when you could only get called by a better hand?
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Old 11-08-2004, 09:03 PM
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Default Re: Fatal Error Deep in 10.00 + 1.00 MTT on UB


His call was poor, but once that K hits you have to quickly realize mistake 1, and NOT make mistake 2.
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