Little help here...

ChickenFud · #1 11-07-2004, 11:38 AM

Hand #1:
Did I do the right thing in turning this hand loose on the river? BB is a complete maniac who will play any two way too far, but the river raise spooked me since he's normally extremely passive...

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB calls.

River: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Hand #2:
Did I get too cute with the CR on the turn? Should I just have gone for an overcall, or simply bet out at the pot?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Button calls.

River: (14 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Peter Harris · #2 11-07-2004, 11:51 AM

hand 1: checkcall (edit: or checkfold, depending on BB's passivity) the river. you bet the turn and the river isn't pretty. check call is 100% better than betting and folding to a raise, as then at least you get to showdown.

hand 2: raise PF. read SSHE, AJs in the SB is an autoraise. AJo is more marginal, but sooooted? raise it up! Let's build a pot for somebody!

The turn checkraise is atrocious. You saw on the flop (well played) that Button is the bettor, so the c/r just forces the field to call 2 cold. You should have led out, seen who called, let the button raise it and smoothcall and see who follows. You've a monster, only a board pairing (unlikely) is a risk and you don't have to believe button has a set on a KQT flop if they are aggressive and didn't raise preflop.

The turn was fancy play syndrome, lead out next time UNLESS the bet was in EP, then a c/r is g00t.

Regards,
Pete Harris

ChickenFud · #3 11-07-2004, 11:57 AM

Thanks for the critique, missed the PF raise on hand #2. The CR was one of those things that as soon as I did it, I was screaming at the computer "NOOOOO!!!!" as I knew it wasn't the right play...

Peter Harris · #4 11-07-2004, 12:03 PM

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I was screaming at the computer "NOOOOO!!!!"

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One of those times when you wish you could segue into slo-mo like in the movies and leap towards the "call" button in a last-gasp attempt to extract maximum value.

Seriously, with the missed PFR and the botched smoothcall, i reckon it's not unrasonable to have made at least another 7BB on this hand. that's a spicy meatball!

Regards,
Pete Harris