Bots scare me

[GrannyMae]

we haven't posted on 2+2 here for several months

and you won't for long.

GET THE FUK OUTTA HERE

your product is banned by the sites, you are a fuking crook and this is spam.

get your sorry, stinkingass back to rgp

[Freakin]

[ QUOTE ]
I think that what happened with online FPS (e.g. quake etc) may repeat itself with poker. A couple of years ago, the online gaming scene was close to being destroyed by bots. However, the gamesw manufacturers had to get their act togethor, because their livelehood was in danger. Now there are specific programs used to detect bots and ban users.

I'm not sure how they work -- anyone have any info about this, and how similar techniques could be used by the poker sites?


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Games were able to do this because the bots had to modify the actual code of the game or work with it in incredibly specific ways. With pokerbots, there is basically no way you can keep a program from seeing what is onscreen. The only perfect solution at this point is to have all poker sites send their players standalone poker terminals encased in super-thick titanium so that they cant be modified in any way. I'm not terribly concerned with poker bots at this point, because poker popularity is growing so rapidly that there is a continual inflow of new fish into the sites. It will be a different case in a few years if the fish are less plentiful and the poker bots are easier to program.

And yeah, what granny said. Lick my balls, winholdem.

[GrannyMae]

pay your taxes scumbag

<font color="green">From: James Campbell (jamescam7@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: pokerbot.com - winholdem - new release - COURTESY POST
View: Complete Thread (81 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 2004-07-16 09:20:21 PST


Here are the facts on WinHoldem Software:.

1) The use of WinHoldem software is not permitted on Paradise Poker, Poker
Stars, or Party Poker or any of their affliates.
2) Poker sites are capable of detecting WinHoldem Software.
3) Players using WinHoldem software have had their accounts closed.
4) If a player has their account closed for using WinHoldem Software their
bankroll could be confiscated.
5) After an independant third party test WinHoldem Software won an average
of $2 an hour playing $3/$6 Limit Poker.
6) After 50 hours of play WinHoldem will pay for itself unless during that
time the user's account is closed due to detection.

Here are the facts on Hixoxih Software makers of WinHoldem Software:
1) WinHoldemSupport has stated several times on this forum that they have
several support people and technicians.
2) WinHoldem Software is developed and published by Hixoxih Software.
3) A D&amp;B report on Hixoxih Software confirms that Hixoxih Software has a
total of 1 employee. (www.dnb.com)
4) That employee and owner of Hixoxih Software is Ray Bornert.
5) Ray Bornert poses as WinHoldemSupport on this newsgroup,
RiskDeluxeSupport on rec.games.board.
6) WinHoldemSupport believes collusion in online poker is ok.
7) Currently Ray Bornert, owner of Hixoxih Software has a Federal Tax Lien
against his person to the tune of $351,635 details can be found at
http://www.gsccca.org/search/Lien/lienindex.asp

A few questions for WinHoldem's potential customers:
1) Are you willing to risk your entire bankroll to make $2 an hour when it
will take 50 hours just to pay for the software?
2) Do you wish to support a company that blantalty misrepresents
themselves?
3) Do you want to give your credit card information to a person who
believes cheating is ok and owes the government $351,000?

James Campbell



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complete thread here

[Slacker13]

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[IggyWH]

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I hear theres a new WinholdEm bot out that does not have the text "WinholdEm" on the window anymore. Supposedly, this is going to foil Party/PokerStars/Paradise.....

http://www.pokerbot.com/

Please reassure me it's just a scam and does not work. I'm scared.
Cuz it doesn't look like Party/Empire software has updated at all to counter the bot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know this is an old thread and I hate to post on it with the jackasses spam on it... but just surf on over to their forums and read them and you'll see just how serious you have to take poker bots. These ones are not something you have to worry about since they play a consistant way and don't evolve... and from most of the posts I read, they play consistantly bad. Their answer to anyone saying that their bot isn't a winner is that they need 10,000 hand sample to see a winner. Just think of how much a bad playing bot can lose you over 10,000 hands? If any of you think it's a good idea to throw these morons money, just read their forums a little and you'll see how much you're wasting.

[WinHoldemSupport]

dude,

you have some serious issues man.
why does winholdem piss you off so much?
there is no logical reason for you to get so pissed.

winholdem support
http://www.pokerbot.com

[WinHoldemSupport]

iggy,

so you believe it is impossible to win at online holdem
without dynamically adjusting. why do you believe that
it's not possible to program winholdem to do this?
why does it upset you that there are people who are
interested in trying to formalize the way they want
to play holdem instead of flying by the seat of their
pants?

winholdem support
http://www.pokerbot.com

[BusterStacks]

The best possible limit these things could beat is MAYBE 2/4. Seriously. I'll play your best WinHoldEm bot heads up.

[IggyWH]

[ QUOTE ]
iggy,

so you believe it is impossible to win at online holdem
without dynamically adjusting. why do you believe that
it's not possible to program winholdem to do this?
why does it upset you that there are people who are
interested in trying to formalize the way they want
to play holdem instead of flying by the seat of their
pants?

winholdem support
http://www.pokerbot.com

[/ QUOTE ]

It really isn't worth agruing with you but I will for the sake that my poker game is going slow as hell. It is possible to win at poker without dynamically adjusting but it's just as possible and even more possible (IMO) to lose without dynamically adjusting.

I guarantee you cannot program winholdem or whatever your crap bot is to do such a thing because if you did, you wouldn't release it to anyone as it would be a dominating program and earn you tons of money. It's something you wouldn't want others to have no matter what people would pay for it. You just created a crappy program that does the same pattern of events... nothing special and a complete waste of money if you ask me!

[B1GF1SHY]

The FPS games were being brought down by bots because FPS games were about reflexes. You had to have quick reflexes and great aim to try and hit your opponents, and obviously bots can do this much faster than humans and auto-aim for their opponent in a split second. Poker Bots are nothing like this. Bots can only be used to beat humans if they can use CPU processing speed to have an advantage over their human opponents, but how can this processing speed help in poker? It can't really, all poker bots do is trigger an event when they see what cards they hold. They can't mix up their play or adapt to the players at the table. Poker bots suck and can't win a lot. Nothing to be worried about.