15/30 tough decision #3

nykenny · #1 11-03-2004, 01:38 AM

Could i safely fold on the turn to a 3 bet? how about the river?

Online Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: 12tabler is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, 12tabler raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, 12tabler bets, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.33 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, 12tabler raises, MP1 3-bets, 12tabler calls.

River: (10.33 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, 12tabler calls.

Final Pot: 12.33 BB
Main Pot: 12.33 BB, between 12tabler and MP1.

Enon · #2 11-03-2004, 05:29 AM

Cmon kenny, give us some info on the opponent since its critical to figuring out these heads up situations.

If he is a competent player and not super-aggressive, I'd rule out him pushing a flush draw this hard unless he had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hard to believe anyone would wait to pop J10s, QJ or KJ until the turn. Looks like you're up against a set of 66.

Considering that, I fold the turn to the 3-bet against an unknown and definitely fold the river if i made it that far.

nykenny · #3 11-03-2004, 12:35 PM

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Cmon kenny, give us some info on the opponent since its critical to figuring out these heads up situations.

If he is a competent player and not super-aggressive, I'd rule out him pushing a flush draw this hard unless he had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hard to believe anyone would wait to pop J10s, QJ or KJ until the turn. Looks like you're up against a set of 66.

Considering that, I fold the turn to the 3-bet against an unknown and definitely fold the river if i made it that far.

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i had no note on this player, but i felt the fishiness. as it turned out, he was stone bluffing the turn, and got lucky on the river.

my question now, should i have folded on river? it felt like either had had a hand very strong or nothing, cause he bet the river too confidently.

here is the whole hand:

Online Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Super Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 (My Fish) calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Super Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 (My Fish) calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, My Fish checks, Super Hero bets, BB folds, My Fish calls.

Turn: (4.33 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
My Fish bets, Super Hero raises, My Fish 3-bets, Super Hero calls.

River: (10.33 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
My Fish bets, Super Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.33 BB
Main Pot: 12.33 BB, between Super Hero and My Fish. > Pot won by My Fish (12.33 BB).

Results in white below: 
My Fish has 8h Kc (one pair, kings).
Super Hero has Ac Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: My Fish wins 12.33 BB.

Enon · #4 11-03-2004, 03:55 PM

Man, I really think I give my fellow party players way too much credit for having hands.

This probably explains why my showdown percentage is way too low.

William Jockusch · #5 11-03-2004, 05:12 PM

No, in this type of situation you never give them credit for having you beat. Just pay it off.

By "This type of situation", I mean limit HE on party, heads up, you have a good hand, and the pot is large.