Why does everybody worry so much about tax cuts/raises?

[Nicholasp27]

For the middle class, the tax cuts were very small, maybe a few hundred or thousand dollars...

But while those were cut, health care premiums go up 54%! I'm more worried about paying an extra 100/month (1200/year) for health care than $500 tax savings

And there are many more things rising than just health care...so why is it that taxes are the biggest deal (at least with taxes, u don't ever even see the extra money being taken out, whereas with health coverage, etc it goes out of ur monthly budget, straight from ur checking account, where u could actually see it and even spend it if not for that higher premium)


also, all anybody has to do is start a home-based business as a sole proprietor doing whatever (or nothing, really) and then show a loss, thus making more of their real income tax-free...u can't do that with health care coverage or rising college tuitions or gas prices

[jakethebake]

The difference is that taxes are stolen from you. That money is the fruit of YOUR labor. You earned it and should be able to do with that money as you wish. Conversely healthcare is NOT a right. It's something to be paid for. The market price is what it is, and the government has NO business artificually setting prices.

[Nicholasp27]

well, they aren't STOLEN from you

without Taxes, we wouldn't have police, firemen, roads!, safety from companies price gouging, courts, protection from other countries, etc etc

the govt wastes a TON of money...it may as well be using 100 dollar bills for it's pets' litter...but taxes ARE necessary for us to have a quality of life

i'm just saying, for the average american, other things that are raising MUCH more are MUCH MORE important than a small tax cut or raise here or there

[Toro]

I have no problem with people wanting tax cuts. My problem is that many of these same people want the government, whether it be at the Federal, State or Local level to provide more and more in the way of services and programs.

You can't have it both ways.

[jakethebake]

Of course they're stolen. Do you give them willingly? They are yours and they are taken from you under threat of violence (ie. they'd haul you away to jail). It's not a matter of what we wouldn't have w/o them. It's a matter of property rights. And price gouging? An example: So you should have the right to force your neighbor to sell you his lawn mower because your grass is long? Of course not. It's his. If you want to buy it you should have to pay what he asks.

Would our "quality of life" be the same w/o taxes. Maybe, maybe not. Roads, mail, fire protection, etc., can all be provided privately. People would willingly give something for most of these services. In my view though, "quality of life" is measured by freedom ,not goods and services. There is nothing...I repeat NOTHING more important than personal freedom.


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty
nor safety. ---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of
Pennsylvania, 1759.

I'd ad comfort to that quote myself. That's what you're doing. giving up essential liberty for comfort....Pathetic!

[Nicholasp27]

jake, do u want airlines to be able to charge us 1k each way for a 300 mile trip because there is no way to stop the industry from jacking up the prices together?

do u want ur power company charging u $4/kilowatt?

what if every dairy wants to charge 20/gallon for milk?

there has to be something to stop industries from jacking up prices on things



and we could lower taxes and provide more services if:

a) we spent less on military (the next closest country only spends <10billion on military a year)

b) we stop the govt waste (money used as litter example)...they are the most inefficient users of money

[Eihli]

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jake, do u want airlines to be able to charge us 1k each way for a 300 mile trip because there is no way to stop the industry from jacking up the prices together?

do u want ur power company charging u $4/kilowatt?

what if every dairy wants to charge 20/gallon for milk?

there has to be something to stop industries from jacking up prices on things


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the government doesn't regulate those prices. if the price of something gets out of hand, people stop buying it.

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and we could lower taxes and provide more services if:

a) we spent less on military (the next closest country only spends <10billion on military a year)

b) we stop the govt waste (money used as litter example)...they are the most inefficient users of money

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i don't think anyone here is saying we shouldn't lower taxes.

[vulturesrow]

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jake, do u want airlines to be able to charge us 1k each way for a 300 mile trip because there is no way to stop the industry from jacking up the prices together?

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How about they charge the price the market will bear? Why do you think airlines like Southwest and JetBlue have risen to such prominence.

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do u want ur power company charging u $4/kilowatt?


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YEah cause price controls on electricity worked so well in California.

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what if every dairy wants to charge 20/gallon for milk?

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THey wont be in business long.

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there has to be something to stop industries from jacking up prices on things

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It's called market forces.

I do agree we should stop government waste. Definitely much easier said than done.

[jakethebake]

You're probably in a fu***** union too. There IS something to keep them from jacking up prices. It's called the MARKET. Go learn about economics then come back and talk about this like an educated person and not some ignorant moron. It's not a matter of whether I want them to do it. It's a matter of whether they should be free to do it. You think you should be forced to sell your property at whatever the government decides? So why should someone else be forced to?

Lower taxes and provide more services? My answer to this is NO!!! JUST get rid of the taxes. It's not a matter of can the government provide more. It's a matter of SHOULD it! The government should provide as few services as possible! Not MORE! Most of the services the government provides more shyould be privatized.

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jake, do u want airlines to be able to charge us 1k each way for a 300 mile trip because there is no way to stop the industry from jacking up the prices together?

do u want ur power company charging u $4/kilowatt?

what if every dairy wants to charge 20/gallon for milk?

there has to be something to stop industries from jacking up prices on things



and we could lower taxes and provide more services if:

a) we spent less on military (the next closest country only spends <10billion on military a year)

b) we stop the govt waste (money used as litter example)...they are the most inefficient users of money

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[MrSoul]

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(at least with taxes, u don't ever even see the extra money being taken out, whereas with health coverage, etc it goes out of ur monthly budget, straight from ur checking account, where u could actually see it and even spend it if not for that higher premium)

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Actually if you're fortunate enough to have your health insurance paid for by your employer, your medical expenditures get exempt from your income tax liability. If you're old or poor, you get it free from the government.

The way to lower the cost of health care is to eliminate the third party payment. How? First and foremost abolish Medicare and Medicaid. Second, don't allow companies to deduct health insurance premiums paid to employees from their taxable income.