couple of troublesome hands

Allinlife · #1 10-11-2004, 12:15 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

should I have folded on flop?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB
should I have folded to reraise?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

cap flop? bet out in turn and fold to reraise?

TheHip41 · #2 10-11-2004, 12:19 PM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T, T.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7, A, 8 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

should I have folded on flop?

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This is why people have aggression factors of less than 1. You have TT, you need to find a raise in here somewhere.

Here's how I'd play it.

Preflop: I have TT, I raise, a few calls, good

Flop: A87 I have TT SB bets, I raise,

Ok now, depending on what SB does is how I proceed

SB bets, I raise, SB 3-bets, I call, fold the turn unless I hit a T

or

SB bets, I raise, SB calls

Turn X SB checks, I bet, SB calls

River X SB checks, I check.

Call, call, call is the worst. Just giving away chips without figuring out how good your hand is.

davelin · #3 10-11-2004, 12:24 PM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB
should I have folded to reraise?

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Heck no, you have the draw to the nut flush.

davelin · #4 10-11-2004, 12:27 PM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

cap flop? bet out in turn and fold to reraise?

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I'd fold pre.

Allinlife · #5 10-11-2004, 12:52 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (9.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

was I too agressive?

JordanIB · #6 10-11-2004, 01:03 PM

I believe what you do is ask the dealer nicely to give you the first flop on your hand #2, the 2nd flop on your hand #3, and the third flop on your hand #1.

But otherwise...

#1) Ditto the comments about raising the flop and then playing accordingly.

#2) I play it the same way

#3) I probably would also call preflop (probably incorrectly) and post-flop (probably incorrectly), but I fold to the A.

meep_42 · #7 10-11-2004, 01:59 PM

TT: Raise the flop, as a previous poster said, this hand plays completely different after a raise. (And seeing the turn, you have 10 outs to the likely best hand.)

AA: Looks good.

QJ: Fold the turn, you're way behind any T or any A, or a MP3 JJ/QQ/KK, you're drawing to an inside straight that may not be the best hand or a 2-out J to make J's full.

-d

JDErickson · #8 10-11-2004, 02:37 PM

I think Hand 1 depends on the opponent. If you know he is an any A player than I think folding the flop to the bet is ok. With no read I agree with the flop raise and proceed from there. The way you played it you are calling in the dark and that is a lonely place.

witeknite · #9 10-11-2004, 02:57 PM

So what if SB bets on either the Turn or River? If it's the turn, do you call and check/call the river, or raise and see what he does.

Call the river if SB bets it after he check/calls the turn?

WiteKnite

ggano · #10 10-11-2004, 04:58 PM

You weren't too aggressive, because you met no resistance. Keep betting if you think you have the best hand, which is obviously the case on the flop and the turn.

On the river, when an overcard comes, bet again. Unless I have a lot of opponents, I don't worry very much when a single-dimension scare card comes. When a 3-dimension scare card comes (e.g. an overcard that also makes a straight and a flush possible), I get scared. A 2-dimension scare card is somewhere in between.

But in general, when just an overcard falls (esp. not an ace) and you have 3 opponents, keep betting until you encounter resistance.