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#1
10-09-2004, 04:35 PM
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Etiquette question
I'm in a very small-stakes NL game on UB. On the SB I have QQ. Three people see the flop which is Q6x with two hearts. I checkraise all in. While player 2 is deciding to call, player 3 tells him not to. They then begin a discussion of whether or not I’m on a draw. Player 2 finally folds and player 3 calls. Turns out he had pocket sixes for a set of sixes.
While I’m certainly not claiming they were colluding (hopefully no one is that stupid to try and collude via table chat) I don’t particularly appreciate someone who thinks he has me beat telling another guy who isn’t sure not to call me. At one point player 3 did say “I have it” but I can’t remember if that was before or after player 2 folded. At the very least this seems to violate the “no speculation” rule. Am I wrong to be upset? I feel reasonably certain this would be frowned upon at a casino. Is this just a case of someone so stupid as to flop a set of sixes and tell someone else not to put a lot of money in the pot. (He is that stupid btw as he called two of my all-ins with a 3 outer and a 6 outer and of course hit both. The sucking out doesn’t bother me but costing me money by telling someone else not to bet does). 
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#2
10-09-2004, 04:53 PM
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Re: Etiquette question
There should be no talking about a hand while it is in progress. This is very much a violation of the rules and you do have justification to be upset.
The other telling him 'i have it' is terrible. It seems like it would have been before the other player folded....otherwise why would he say it?? These players should be reported. If this happened at a table I was playing at I would have reminded them to please not discuss a hand in while it is still in progress. I have done this maybe around 7 or 8 times in the past I think and only once did an opponent get all weird and make an issue of it (started cussing me out, called me a [censored], wanted to play heads-up, blah blah blah). The other times the opponents apologized and acknowledged that it could clearly affect the further play of the hand. A couple of them went above and beyond that and said something about how they felt 'really bad' about doing something THAT far out of line. I usually just say, "NP....just be careful because it really can affect the hand" and we all live happily ever-after. I have to admit to being extremely surprised at the high percentage of times I have received polite apologies when issuing such reminders.
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#4
10-09-2004, 05:02 PM
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Re: Etiquette question
I actually did say that afterwards. Player 3 said it didn't matter because he didn't say what he had, it was just trash talking, etc. We went back and forth so since he didn't apologize or even admit to seeing how that could annoy me I did report him. I mean at a table I would have said something to the dealer if they didn't say something first.
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#7
10-09-2004, 06:51 PM
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Re: Etiquette question
The only reason I could assume is that you were afraid they were on the flush draw and hoped they wouldn't hang around.
After thinking about this for awhile, I really think player 3 was just not very bright (his play sure proved that) and didn't realize it was a breach. It's not like anyone down that low has any sense. He certainly discussed every hand he played in excruciating detail - just usually after it was done. It was just his unwillingness to admit that perhaps he had made a mistake in a relatively large pot that ultimately made me report him. Next set of people I go after are the ones who say "damn, I had a 'x' and folded" when two 'x' show up on the flop before the hand is done...
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#8
10-10-2004, 01:38 AM
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Re: Etiquette question
Well any time I "have it" I want as many players as possible shoving their chips, bank CDs, house deeds, 401(k)s, etc. into the pot. The only reason I wouldn't want a specific person to call is if they were on my team and there was a possiblity of losing.
But maybe this guy was just a moron.
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