JJ overpair with lots of action.

daryljobe777 · #1 10-06-2004, 11:01 PM

Comments please, guys?

Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 27.50 BB

zerosports · #2 10-06-2004, 11:12 PM

I would raise bb's bet on the turn. I think on the river you can fold comfortably to CO's 3bet and BB's cap.

maxpowers21 · #3 10-06-2004, 11:13 PM

Raise the turn, with the intention of folding to a reraise. BB could easily be betting a picked up straight or flush draw here, although from the river action i would guess he picked up a straight. Regardless you want to know where you stand you don't want to give free/cheap cards which is exactly what you do by calling the the turn instead of raising. The river is an easy call. You cannot raise for value especially with such a scary river card. Someone is likely to have a flush with 4 to a river. someone could also have a straight or trips. I would also fold to the capped river here every time. The pot is big but there is no chance of winning this pot after it is 3-bet and capped. 0% of a big pot is still 0. So the river line is a rather silly looking call/fold to the 3-bet/cap.

Stu Pidasso · #4 10-06-2004, 11:15 PM

I agree with the other who say raise the turn and fold to a reraise. On the river

A) Try to get some overcalls instead of raising.
B) Not be an overcaller yourself.

Stu

MAxx · #5 10-06-2004, 11:25 PM

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Comments please, guys?

Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 27.50 BB

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1) goes in micro forum

2) pf good

i dont claim to give the correct flop versus turn raise advice on this hand.

i would make my stand either on the flop or the turn, or both.... but definitley not wait till river and raise that many oponents when the flush completes, especially after a paired flop of TT's wich are in the "playing zone"

i dont not see the point of raising river over raising turn. once you raise river and it is capped back, what chance do you estimate that your hand is good?

I would say very slim. i would be very surprised if your hand was good. somewhere in the less than 2% range. the most incorrect part of your line, IMO, is calling the last 2 on the river.