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10-05-2004, 10:43 PM
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help solve a dispute
this hand just happened. i just got absolutely raped but that's not the point. i can handle a bad beat because i know it was +EV. anyways my roommate was watching me play and insists i should have only raised to $1,000. i really have no idea what his logic is and can't even begin to reason with him. what would you say? oh ya, i just went all-in PF on the hand before with AT and no one called. he thinks now they'd be more prone to call because of my wild image.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font> UTG (t6710) <font color="C00000">Button (t3460)</font> <font color="C00000">Hero (t2035)</font> BB (t1295) Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls t150, Button calls t150, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t2035</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls t1885. Flop: (t4370) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> Turn: (t4370) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> River: (t4370) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> Final Pot: t4370 Results in white below: <font color="white"> Button has Ts 9s (straight, king high). Hero has Th Tc (one pair, tens). Outcome: Button wins t4370. </font> 
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#2
10-05-2004, 10:53 PM
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Re: help solve a dispute
Your roommate is nuts. The pot has 500 chips in it and your hand is nowhere near indestructible. Grab the pot.
Edit: And even if they were more likely to call, how is that an argument for raising to 1000? What's your plan, check fold if an overcard appears? Give me a break.
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#3
10-05-2004, 10:59 PM
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Re: help solve a dispute
Well, they say it's push or fold time when your stack is < 10BB.
But I don't see another way of going about this hand that would be better as far as other hands calling/folding. If you go 1000, AA-99, AK, AQ prolly push, and you have to call. So nothing changed here. You possibly could've gotten a lower pp to push with a smaller bet, but you also give a QJo a cheap flop and you'dd rather they fold. With the T9s guy, he'd call 1000 and then one of you is pushing te flop. The other is calling it. I'm not sure either play makes a huge difference but I'd probably push. That was a rough one man. -Jman28
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#8
10-06-2004, 03:52 AM
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Re: help solve a dispute
The only argument I can see your roommate making is situational...in this SITUATION if you raised to 1000 chips the bb would probably have called since he has 3000, and then maybe he would've folded if you went all in on the flop (since he won with a backdoor straight and saw a bleak flop).
The argument, however, doesn't apply to most cases and given what you knew you were correct in pushing.
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#10
10-06-2004, 10:02 AM
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Re: help solve a dispute
Frankly I don't understand all the posts saying this is a no brain push.
This like most things depends on the game. Push is OK a lot of the time but your risking your stack with only TT and putting in about 14x BBs as a raise. Two guys have limped. If they are super tight this could be a trap. Have they done this before? if not alarms should go off. And a call would suffice. Are they super tight? Then a bet of 3x or 4x BB may suffice and if reraised, give it up. Are they super loose? Well 10 10 is a good hand, but you are gambling. As I said, a push is very often the right play, but sometimes it is foolhardy - although less so at Party where the structure doesn't help the patient player. gl
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