10,000 hand check up - Any pointers - Page 2

jjb108 · #1 10-06-2004, 10:13 PM

Believe it or not this is all 10 max hands.

Here's my 6 max data. I don't play 6 max. much.

2080 hands
VP$IP 47.40
WR -5.99BB/100
PFR 26.20

Wow, I suck. This looks like LAG/Maniac stats...no wonder I lose.

Given the response to the 10 max. data. I'm in trouble there as well.

However, given the loose nature at party, isn't it better to play more hands and release after the flop. Often you get paid off more than enough to make the hands +EV???

If not, what are the general targets to shoot for...I agree the PFR has to go down.

I'm afraid I just made a few 2+2 buddy lists!

LokiV · #2 10-06-2004, 10:33 PM

AGGGHHHHHH. What kind of hands are you playing?!?! I'm sorry K/8 os is not a good hand. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

jjb108 · #3 10-06-2004, 10:46 PM

Actually, its A8o, not that its that much better. Here's the hand that put it in my winners. My V$IP with A8o is 34%. Still too high. Its also an easy hand to get away from post flop. Well, enough of the denial.

What would people do with this hand...fold to the PFR?

Here's what I know about the villian. VP$IP ~45%. PFR 23%. I've seen about 20 hands. I'd say maniac.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) converter

UTG ($90.25)
MP1 ($62.05)
MP2 ($49.25)
CO ($15.50)
Button ($54.35)
Hero ($44.95)
BB ($76.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3.8, BB raises to $7.6, Hero raises to $11.4, BB calls $3.80.

Turn: ($26.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BB raises to $62.85, Hero calls $21.55 (All-In).

River: ($121.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $121.20

Results in white below: 
BB has Ks Jd (one pair, nines).
Hero has Ac 8h (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $89.90. BB wins $31.30.

Muisyle · #4 10-06-2004, 10:48 PM

Bah, nm.

LokiV · #5 10-06-2004, 11:03 PM

FOLD IT PREFLOP UNLESS BIG BLIND.

Question answered.

Note: You then toss it to a raise unless it would be a SB steal and that is the only time you'd have position on a player.

jmark · #6 10-11-2004, 03:51 PM

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Here's my 6 max data. I don't play 6 max. much.

2080 hands
VP$IP 47.40
WR -5.99BB/100
PFR 26.20

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Here's what I know about the villian. VP$IP ~45%. PFR 23%. I've seen about 20 hands. I'd say maniac.

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I just thought this would be funny to point out. Watch out or you might start playing speculative hands against yourself since you'll payoff with a pair of aces, 8 kicker.

PITTM · #7 10-07-2004, 12:53 AM

heres my 6-max numbers for comparison, i think mine are right around where they should be:

10k hands at party 25nl 6max
VP$IP: 21.91%
PFR: 6.25%
WR: 15.9 bb/100

rj

thatpfunk · #8 10-07-2004, 01:13 AM

6-max your vpip is only 21? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Mine is at 25 and I've been trying to raise it.

PITTM · #9 10-07-2004, 01:18 AM

it works out pretty well. ive been pretty card dead lately and it has dropped like 3 points since 5k hands. it should get steady soon, hopefully higher and steady.

rj

gergery · #10 10-11-2004, 09:18 PM

Yeah, your numbers are way high for fullring game.

My 2 cents:
6BB/100 You can get this to 10bb/100, and even higher, but 6>0, lol
hands_played 10288 Still early to tell for sure
vpip_sum 27.5369 I’d think ~18 here, at NL25, upto 23 or so is ok
pfr_sum 13.3942 also high, I’d think ~7
wsd_sum 49.945 also high, I’d think ~30, with Won/Sdwn ~60 is good
vpip_sb 47.0769 also high. I’d think ~35

For shorthanded for $NL 50, I’ve broken out my opponents into quartiles. It turns out that these are the cutoffs

Tightest <30%
Kinda Tight 30-42%
Kinda Loose 42-56%
Loose 56%+

So to the other posters here, if your VPIP is ~20, then you are tighter than ~90% of all shorthanded players. That’s pretty damn tight. And I don’t mind seeing people that tight at my table, as it’s pretty easy to put them on a hand when they play and doesn’t take too long to calibrate the bullying to steal relentlessly if they don’t adjust. I think it definitely gives up EV for lower variance. I haven’t figured out the right numbers, but I think low 30s VPIP with PFR ~10% seems about right. The shorthanded NL 100 tho seems significantly tighter, and I’d guess VPIP ~25% to be correct there.

Just my 2 cents.

Btw, nice playing with you the other night at 2+2 game

--Greg