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Old 09-29-2004, 08:51 PM
Tommy Angelo Tommy Angelo is offline
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skp,

Extremely excellent post you wrote.

"Suppose your opponent made a 50 cent all in bet on the river. Would you have called?"

Yes. Getting 1600-1 one I would call because I would be getting the right odds that he might have misread his hand.

"If the answer is "yes", it simply means that the decision to call is always about pot odds in conjunction with your assessment of your chances of holding the best hand and that you were not 100% sure that you had the worse hand."

Correct. But there can in theory then exist a degree of sureness, that is less than 100%, that can be reasonably rounded to 100% for the sake of decision-making, since the pot will pretty much never lay more that 40-1. For instance, the only way that the difference between being 99.995%-sure and being 99.996%-sure can effect my actual wager is if you artificially alter the pot odds in a way that brings that last decimal place into consideration.

Good point though. There is always a price.


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Old 09-29-2004, 10:36 PM
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Default THE FINAL WORD ON THE RIVER FOLD

"It is not so much the subjects one depicts that create beauty; rather it is the need one has felt to represent them, and it is this need itself that gives one the strength to carry them off. . . . One might say that anything is beautiful, provided it is at the right place at the right time, and, conversely, that nothing is beautiful it if comes at the wrong time. . . .Beauty is what is apt."

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Old 09-29-2004, 11:51 PM
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Nice. Very nice. How the hell do you find this stuff?

Reminds me of Badger and how his articles in CP appeared to be built around a selected quote. Where the heck did he go anyway? I haven't really read RGP in ages except for a brief look see now and then and there appears to be no sign of Badger.
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Old 09-29-2004, 11:55 PM
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Tommy,

We gotta meet one of these days. Clark, Andy, Jim Brier, Bob Morgan...without exception, they have all crowed about you to me when I met up with them; and it's easy for me to see why even though we have never met.

Anyway, looking forward to the meeting whenever it happens.

Ciao.

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Old 09-30-2004, 01:46 AM
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Badger's website
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Old 10-01-2004, 01:34 AM
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So how much would you have thrown in to see what ranks he has in his flush?
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Old 10-01-2004, 04:31 AM
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I went to Badger's site via your link but I couldn't find anything related to this thread. Could you be more specific?

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Old 10-01-2004, 04:34 AM
Michael Davis Michael Davis is offline
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Felson was just answering skp's question as to where Badger was these days.

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Old 10-01-2004, 05:20 AM
Sredni Vashtar Sredni Vashtar is offline
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Default Re: total unfluffableness

Don't take this post seriously I am just having fun.

Tommy admitted [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], [ QUOTE ]
When the dealer understood the mistake, he looked at me and our eyes met. My read was that he felt really scared or really bad or both. I picked up my ace-king and turned it face down and pushed it away from me and said to the dealer mendingly, "Let's do it over and this time pretend I folded."

[/ QUOTE ]

Mike l. is calling you on this one, but I like it. Your humanbeingness outweighed your pokerbeingness.

A few questions:

Is there ever a time, at least subconsciously, that you do something just because it might make an interesting post? The reason I ask is...[ QUOTE ]
"The dealer picked up my hand to do the customary tap-the-muck-to-kill-it move, which gave me time to stop him, but I didn't."

[/ QUOTE ] And somehow does this subconcious energy, this same one that causes you to get bluffed less, or have others order a hot dog just after you do, cause other players at the table to follow your tacit instructions? I read here, [ QUOTE ]
"Which meant that both of those players could have stopped the dealer too, but didn't."

[/ QUOTE ] And do you promise to use this power wisely [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


A couple of questions:

If you are a 100% you are beat on the river, and thus always fold, how can you confirm same?

If you were told by a truthful omniscient God that you had exactly the "opitimal odds", meaning, yes, it wouldn't matter whether you called or folded in the here and now, What would be best for the meta game? Or does such a thing not matter to the above endowed poker player?

And inspired mainly by Tommy himself, I have an article about this whole river thing, which is about the most comprehensive i have seen, though I am 99% sure most of you know at least 99% of it.

I mentioned I am just fooling around right?


SV.
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Old 10-01-2004, 08:26 AM
Lawrence Ng Lawrence Ng is offline
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Default Re: total unfluffableness

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"He gains if you lay down incorrectly one time in twenty-two."

oh puhleeze! you think tommy is mislaying 22 times here? me yes. you yes. him? no way rick. if that guy could play every river for me from here to eternity, or at least for the next year or two, id be a kazillionaire. he's got that street and these sorts of reads wired.

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LOL, I couldn't agree more with you here Mike. I've played Tommy twice, both in PL games. I could swear this guy read right through my damn cards.
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