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Old 09-24-2004, 03:42 PM
MastiffPaul MastiffPaul is offline
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Default Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

This table has been tight and passive for about three orbits. Button plays any ace, calls too much postflop, and will most likely call down a raise if s/he bets. BB has folded preflop for three orbits. Same read for CO; folds often preflop, haven't seen him/her in a hand yet.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (12.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 14.25 BB, between BB and Hero.</font>
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Old 09-24-2004, 03:47 PM
lil' lil' is offline
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

I'm responding cuz' I like your post title. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Three betting this flop seems like it does no good. The button won't fold and you're probably drawing to six outs at best vs the checkraise from a tight player.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

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BB has folded preflop for three orbits.


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I'd probably call the flop raise, check/call the turn and check/fold the river unimproved with this read.

Even if I thought BB was loose, I still probably don't 3-bet the flop in this situation.

But, I suck at 2/4, so take this with a grain of salt.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

On the river, are you really expecting the BB to lay down his Qx?
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Old 09-24-2004, 05:23 PM
MastiffPaul MastiffPaul is offline
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

Is it unreasonable to believe that a tight player would do that?
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Old 09-24-2004, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

If he's made it that far w/ Qx, he's not tight.
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Old 09-24-2004, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Betty, when you call me, you can call me down.

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If he's made it that far w/ Qx, he's not tight.

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I don't know if I agree that he's not tight, since a decent player certainly could have called in the BB with most Qxs hands. However, what is most important here is that there is likely no more than a 1-2% chance that BB is going to lay down a Q here on the river, especially since there are no overcards on the board.
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