Weak/tight to go into calldown mode?

[Baloosh]

I had Villain (UTG) here read as a TAG, so when he bets into me again on the turn, I slowed down. Do I bet/fold this river? MP1 was a typical maroon.

All comments appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

[bozlax]

I doubt that 3 really helped him. I think he's more likely to be playing a weaker K or maybe AT, and doesn't want to give up a free card to your flush draw. I raise the turn, call a 3-bet, and then see what happens on the river. The way you played it, I bet the river.

[numeri]

If you read him as a TAG, his play is transparent.

He bet in to you with a pair or decent draw, bet the turn to not give a free card, and then gave up on the river. Raise the turn. At least bet the river.

[Baloosh]

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If you read him as a TAG, his play is transparent.

He bet in to you with a pair or decent draw, bet the turn to not give a free card, and then gave up on the river. Raise the turn. At least bet the river.

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Interesting. I thought his betting out meant "I'm not scared of getting raised." But a TAG here would go for the check-raise instead, right?

[Paxosmotic]

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If you read him as a TAG, his play is transparent.

He bet in to you with a pair or decent draw, bet the turn to not give a free card, and then gave up on the river. Raise the turn. At least bet the river.

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Interesting. I thought his betting out meant "I'm not scared of getting raised." But a TAG here would go for the check-raise instead, right?

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His bet there means absolutely nothing, your TAG read is incorrect. If the 3 helped him, he would check/raise. If it didn't help him, he would check/raise. Your read should have been "guy who plays tight and saw a few episodes of the WSOP." Raise and take away the money he was going to buy Mike Sexton's book with.

[Baloosh]

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His bet there means absolutely nothing, your TAG read is incorrect. If the 3 helped him, he would check/raise. If it didn't help him, he would check/raise. Your read should have been "guy who plays tight and saw a few episodes of the WSOP." Raise and take away the money he was going to buy Mike Sexton's book with.

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I really, REALLY need to work on my reading. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Redd]

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If you read him as a TAG, his play is transparent.

He bet in to you with a pair or decent draw, bet the turn to not give a free card, and then gave up on the river. Raise the turn. At least bet the river.

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Interesting. I thought his betting out meant "I'm not scared of getting raised." But a TAG here would go for the check-raise instead, right?

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His bet there means absolutely nothing, your TAG read is incorrect. If the 3 helped him, he would check/raise. If it didn't help him, he would check/raise. Your read should have been "guy who plays tight and saw a few episodes of the WSOP." Raise and take away the money he was going to buy Mike Sexton's book with.

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This isn't true IMO; if the TAG has a TAG read on hero, it's perfectly valid to bet the turn here with a strong hand, with the intention of 3-betting. There's other conceivable scenarios where we can correctly SNG the turn here.

I'd still raise the turn though because this is a free card block or other weirdness often enough to justify a raise IMO.

Right, but what king of strong hand would the TAG only call hero's raise onthe flop?

[sean c]

Redd you are correct if bet/call flop bet/three bet turn is a line that is possible but the only hands that are probably strong enough to take this line would be a set and if this player was really a tag he is raising pre flop with any PP that would have possibly made a set on this board. And of course we know he checked the river through. This is just a super easy value raise on the turn.

A tag might not necessarily go for a C-R on this draw heavy board since there's a good chance you'd take the free card, but he would definitely 3bet the flop -- sending 2 back to MP -- if he had 2 pair or better. His play reeks of weakness.