do I want to raise anywhere? - Page 2

#11 10-10-2005, 11:49 AM

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Even at the lower levels that I play I rarely see a LRR that's not AA.

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I have seen people do this with AA KK A3off 33 76s J2o. LRR doesn't mean AA.

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It all depends on whether we think it means AA/KK/QQ >50% of the time. I think that a LRR from an early position player in a heads up pot means AA/KK/QQ a lot.

gopnik · #12 10-10-2005, 11:51 AM

yeah, I like this as well, got to think about that....

POKhER · #13 10-10-2005, 05:12 PM

apart from this forum the only LRR's ive seen is with:
JJ/TT/A3s/A9s

The kind of hand that donks dont re-raise because they think its weak.. then think ah what the hell ill raise; it seems.

Anyhow i just raise the flop and if i get 3bet ill call down majority of time.

#14 10-10-2005, 05:15 PM

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I like your line. Clearly you're not laying TPTK down HU vs this villain. If villain has AA/KK/QQ a raise will just lose you more money. If he doesn't have you beat a raise would just make him fold. So, your line seems to make the most when ahead and lose the least when behind.

Shillx · #15 10-10-2005, 05:18 PM

do I want to raise anywhere?

Nah this is the way to play it in this spot. holla

deception5 · #16 10-10-2005, 05:19 PM

Given your description of the villian I think raising the flop would be bad here. I would also cap preflop (although it worked out nicely when the flop hit you!).

I would consider raising the river because of the fact that he may be tilting.

POKhER · #17 10-10-2005, 05:21 PM

Im confused.

well no; i see a reason to call down, im not sure i can lay down TPTK...

But in game id of raised this and if i got 3bet consider calldown/fold(as i say, probably the former)

I dont see a JJ/TT/Ax or any junk 3betting but probably calling down to his his outs.

AA/KK i see 3betting.... So we could fold but folding is yucky.

deception5 · #18 10-10-2005, 05:26 PM

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But in game id of raised this and if i got 3bet consider calldown/fold(as i say, probably the former)

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Heads up postflop is a different animal than multiway. Think about why you would want to raise and how the villian plays the hand with AA against your raise. Now think about 66. A6.

Shillx · #19 10-10-2005, 05:35 PM

- We don't know if our hand is good here. Actually we don't really care if it is good here. If we goto war, it will only be with about 20-30% equity. If he folds his hand, he was probably drawing to 2 outs or less. Both of these should lead us away from aggression.

- We want to see what his cards are. If he is tilting and did this with T9o, we want to know.

- We don't want to encourage him to do this again if he has a good hand. Piss him off by calling down with AQ when he has AA. Maybe it will get him to play more straight forward the next time.

- We can't fold on the flop if we are behind. He could be messing with us when he 3-bets. We also have a good number of outs against KK and the hero has the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

POKhER · #20 10-10-2005, 05:47 PM

so its a case of:
If he has junk let him bluff and bet away.
If he has AA we want to lose the least/KK.

Although it just looks like spewing, I wont try to apply this as the situations seem to specific and theres no clear cut reasons it seems. if he raised standardly... would you still apply this?