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Re: play along with me?
If this is bad preflop why does Bob Ciafonne do things like 3 bet QJs from the blinds multiway against a LAG EP raise, he said he only does it rarely even though he has many examples in a book I read, I guess it's purely deception?
I bet the flop for the reasons already stated, and I can't fold this huge pot on the river just because I'm overcalling against a "loose TAG". Overcalling after a good TAG I might consider folding. |
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Re: play along with me?
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excellent. disagreement already. well, i gotta run to the store, so here's the rest of the pf action and the beginning of the flop... PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls. Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font> BB checks, Hero ???? now what? [/ QUOTE ] Bet the flop and hope that UTG+1 raises. |
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Re: flop to river
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Not betting the flop makes my avatar cry. [/ QUOTE ] other people have suggested this as a reason, but to spell it out completely...bet the flop and hope lag raises to force the field to call 2? even though (assuming he raises) everyone still gets 12:1 or more? |
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Re: play along with me?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] With this many people in and a hand with very good multihand value and everyone trapped, I 3-bet here. |
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Re: play along with me?
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PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls. Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font> BB checks, Hero ???? now what? [/ QUOTE ] A gutshot and two overcards. I want to clean up the overcards somehow in this big pot. I bet and hope to get raised by UTG+1. |
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meh. so much for playing along... i can't stick around. so here's the rest of the hand. i made a conscious decision to take a passive line after the flop since the lag to my left would likely forget i had 3-bet (or limp reraised) preflop... so i checked the flop and here's the rest of the action. i'm particularly interested in what people think of the river overcall. (since CO was a slightly too loose TAG but not an idiot by any means) PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls. Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (13.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB folds, Hero calls. River: (18.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls. Final Pot: 23.70 BB whatcha think? [/ QUOTE ] ok thanks for the comments... i'm still torn on whether or not i should bet the flop... and after considerable thought i still can't tell if anyone that we want to fold would actually fold for 2 more bets as opposed to one. (i still kindof like the LRR preflop in all honesty). and on the river....eh....sanity call. and for those that care: Results: Hero has Jd Qd (one pair, jacks). UTG+1 has 9s 7s (one pair, nines). MP2 has 8d 7d (one pair, eights). MP3 has 9c 6d (one pair, nines). CO has Th Jh (one pair, jacks). Outcome: Hero wins 23.70 BB. i river goot. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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