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[Firefly]

I'm calling here so people don't fold. When my draw gets there, i want people around who will pay me off with TP or whatever. My hand has an equity edge on the field and wants as many bets/players in the pot as humanly possible. My equity does not decrease as others call, like it would if i had top pair for example. The pot can be as big as whatever, but i still want people around to pay my c/r on the river off :P

[davelin]

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If the SB checks I should be betting out here, correct? I'm just not content with my flush draw play lately.

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Easy, with your equity flush draw, you want to encourage callers, not discourage them.

[scotty34]

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If the SB checks I should be betting out here, correct? I'm just not content with my flush draw play lately.

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If you have reason to believe a bet will come from your near left, I would C/R here. If nothing leads you to believe this will happen, then yes, bet out.

[luckyplayer]

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you have a strong draw in a small pot. You call in order to keep players in and build a pot.

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Its not the size of the pot that determines the fact that Hero should just call as opposed to raise. I leave it as an excercise to the micros crowd to figure out why Hero should just call here.

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My first thought was that if the pot was large, you would want to raise to increase your chances of winning it. But I guess, assuming you have no other flush draws against you, you only would protect in a big pot if you wanted to increase the chances of winning with top pair if you happen to hit.

Since you really only have outs to the flush and to the backdoor draw, there would be nothing to protect in a large pot. With your flush draw+backdoor straight draw, your equity is not enough to warrant raising.

Am I close?

[jaxUp]

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With your flush draw+backdoor straight draw, your equity is not enough to warrant raising.

Am I close?

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Good idea, wrong time. We have the equity edge needed to raise our flush draw, but we have poor relative position to the raiser and don't want to knock otu players who will pay us off when we hit. If we could trap the field for 2, this would be worth a raise.

EDIT: hmm...chances are, I misinterpreted "your equity is not enough to warrant raising." I took it to mean your equity with a flush draw is not worth raising, and pehaps you meant "given your relative position, your equity with a flush draw is not worth a raise." I took it to mean the former. If you meant the latter, I apologize.

[davelin]

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you have a strong draw in a small pot. You call in order to keep players in and build a pot.

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Its not the size of the pot that determines the fact that Hero should just call as opposed to raise. I leave it as an excercise to the micros crowd to figure out why Hero should just call here.

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My first thought was that if the pot was large, you would want to raise to increase your chances of winning it. But I guess, assuming you have no other flush draws against you, you only would protect in a big pot if you wanted to increase the chances of winning with top pair if you happen to hit.

Since you really only have outs to the flush and to the backdoor draw, there would be nothing to protect in a large pot. With your flush draw+backdoor straight draw, your equity is not enough to warrant raising.

Am I close?

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You get a gold star!

[dinero2433]

I think you want to call. Do not discourage other players with a raise. You want to see the pot get bigger - you make money on every bet that goes in on the flop.

[FishHooks]

Say the turn completed his flush, and the person in front bets, does he raise to knock out higher one cards spades? since they are getting odds to call to beat his flush on the river? I'm thinking the answer is yes to that since the pot will proboly be pretty big from the overcalls on the flop...any thoughts?

[davelin]

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Say the turn completed his flush, and the person in front bets, does he raise to knock out higher one cards spades? since they are getting odds to call to beat his flush on the river? I'm thinking the answer is yes to that since the pot will proboly be pretty big from the overcalls on the flop...any thoughts?

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Hit the flush on the turn, easy raise.

[dinero2433]

A raise will be very unlikely to drive out a higher spade. Let's say that there are three players on the turn, all of which paid one small bet into the pot (4.5 BB by the turn). SB bets out, making it 5.5 BB. You raise, making it 7.5 BB, and two bets to the last player. SB is very likely to call your raise, so the player to your left is paying 2 BB to win at least 8.5, maybe more if you pay off a bet on the river when his spade falls. Any player to your left with a higher spade is correct to call your raise, given the size of the pot.

The reason you raise here is not to drive out higher spades - you raise because you very likely have the best hand, and you want draws to pay you off as big as possible.