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#1
02-05-2004, 01:48 PM
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Understanding this hand will make us all better.
This is an interesting hand. And I think it's important. It's important because I know 4 proven winning players who would have played it differently.
I know how Avarice, J.A. Sucker, myself, and haakee would have played it. We all play it differently, and we all win different amounts at poker (I come in last, by the way, at $4.83 an hour :-( .) One of the four played the hand, I will not say who for now, because I want honest answers to this post. THE HAND IN QUESTION (and don't turn this into a damn preflop debate, ok?): two very weak terrible players limp, and a bad, slightly over-aggressive-but-sane young asian lady dealer limps. Hero limps on button with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], making a remark about how loose it is. Flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] check, check, check, asian lady bets, .... OK. Here's your assignment. A. Write a gameplan for the hand from this point forward and explain the reasons for your actions. Ignore the obvious preflop debate. You played the hand, we're worried about postflop play, cause that's where the money is here. B. Let's assume you raised the flop and it's folded to lady who hesitantly three-bets. Now revise your gameplan for the rest of the hand. Call? Cap and check turn? Cap and bet turn? Be thourough. C. You decided to cap the flop. Turn brings a total brick. revise your gameplan again. check or bet? This hand is important because it focuses on different post-flop play (and by different, I mean these four players play this hand differently, some VERY differently, and yet all win, but different amounts) If you are Avarice, Haakee, Sucker, or myself, do not respond with thoughts or results until we have a few answers. 
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#2
02-05-2004, 02:15 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
One question. On the flop, with your big draw, do you really want to drive out the two horrible EP players? It might be better to smooth call and keep them in to help build the pot. Then, see what the turn brings.
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#3
02-05-2004, 02:22 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
yes, that's an obvious argument for smooth calling the flop.
Can you follow the format, A. B. C. Describe the rest of the way you play the hand after calling for A, for example, "I'll call here and if I get a caller and a check-raiser I'll three-bet, etc?" Then for B and C assume you strayed from your plan and did those things and write new ones sorry to be a pain
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#4
02-05-2004, 03:54 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
[ QUOTE ]
Can you follow the format, A. B. C. Describe the rest of the way you play the hand after calling for A, for example, "I'll call here and if I get a caller and a check-raiser I'll three-bet, etc?" Then for B and C assume you strayed from your plan and did those things and write new ones sorry to be a pain [/ QUOTE ] Man, this is a lot like homework. Aren't you suppose to be in NYC right now? Why are you posting hands? Anway, I think I call the flop as I likely have 14 clean outs against all opponents so no need to limit the field. Given that hero raised and isolated against the maniac, I like the flop 4 bet. On the turn, I would continue to bet.
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#5
02-05-2004, 02:24 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
I don't know how I'd play the flop, but if I did cap it and she checked the turn, I'm betting 100% of the time. This is with the intention of checking behind on the river if I don't improve. You may have the best hand here or hit a heart, king or six that improves your hand. If I get check-raised on the turn, I can fold to a river bet if I don't improve. I'm interested to hear who played this hand, how, and what the results were.
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#6
02-05-2004, 02:32 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
A few remarks before we continue.
The terrible players are just as likely to call 2 bets as 1 (if they have a pair or a gutshot). Also, young asian lady and hero have played A LOT of poker together, and she plays differently against hero than most players, becoming a certifiable maniac. For those who are unable to infer the following, I am the hero.
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#8
02-05-2004, 02:58 PM
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Re: you punkass
My bad, beetz.
I didn't read the last sentence of your post. At any rate, we already had a "few" responses, no? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] BTW: I know that there's no accounting for taste, but, my lord, that woman is about 6 years of heavy drug use beyond attractive. However, I'm sure her husband would disagree with me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Come on out with me and we'll work on finding you an attractive asian lady.
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#9
02-05-2004, 03:26 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
Good god I type slow. Seven responses before I could finish typing mine.
As I mentioned in my first post, I agree, they will call 2 if they will call 1. I think this makes raising ok. -Diplomat
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#10
02-05-2004, 03:01 PM
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Re: Understanding this hand will make us all better.
Its slightly better to call on the flop because the pot is small.
Assuming you raise, its probably better to reraise as well. When checked to on the turn, it is slightly better to bet unless there is almost no chance your sixes are the best hand. It is wrong to think that playing these types of hands well is a major aspect of winning poker.
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