i call on the river

PokerBob · #1 11-24-2005, 01:11 AM

villain is 50/18/1.6. comments on all streets appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (14 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 16 BB

psyduck · #2 11-24-2005, 01:19 AM

Only thing I do different - lead the turn, then call down if 2-bet there.

ArturiusX · #3 11-24-2005, 07:09 AM

Do you have stairs in your house?

brazilio · #4 11-24-2005, 09:31 AM

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die goon

jt1 · #5 11-24-2005, 01:40 AM

I definitely wouldn't call the river if raised after leading the turn. but i'd definitely lead the turn.

I think I call in SB here, but if i was running bad I may fold. After calling, I may go for check raise on the flop if the situation is right but AJ OOP with EP limper and LP raiser is poop, imo.

#6 11-24-2005, 06:47 AM

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I think I call in SB here, but if i was running bad I may fold. After calling, I may go for check raise on the flop if the situation is right but AJ OOP with EP limper and LP raiser is poop, imo.

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Are you serious? If you are running bad, why would you fold a hand this good? That's horrible advice.

jt1 · #7 11-24-2005, 02:23 PM

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I think I call in SB here, but if i was running bad I may fold. After calling, I may go for check raise on the flop if the situation is right but AJ OOP with EP limper and LP raiser is poop, imo.

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Are you serious? If you are running bad, why would you fold a hand this good? That's horrible advice.

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It isn't advice. I mentioned it to get advice on my play. FWIW, i don't think AJs is that good. Hero only beats 48 logical hand combinations. He is dominated by another 50. That it is suited makes me call and, of course, if button is a LAG, I'd re-raise.

But I don't reccomend playing differently when you are loosing. I, however, do. I enter less hands. I see more showdowns. I 3-bet less. It's called tilt, and I'm not recommending it to anyone.

Spicymoose · #8 11-24-2005, 02:25 PM

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FWIW, i don't think AJs is that good. Hero only beats 48 logical hand combinations. He is dominated by another 50.

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What is your range for button here?

jt1 · #9 11-24-2005, 02:37 PM

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Villian raises the top 18% of his hands. Off the top of my head, I had villian raising only AT, KQ, KJ as worst hands when an UTG limped. Looking at my hand chart I see that that limits him to just the top 12%. So I'll throw in KT and A9s. In my book AJs is a top 6% hand. But hero is oop. I don't think a 3-bet is terrible or even bad nor do I think a cold call is bad. Like I said, I'd check raise a lot of flops.

But to answer your question. Off the top of my head I had villian raising only KJ,KQ and AT that hero was ahead of. I now think that KTs and A9 suited are likely, perhaps QJs and KTo. Villian isn't good enough to raise suited connectors, but as a rule he may raise any suited ace.

Much of my dilema comes from the limper. We know that button isn't stealing nor will a 3 bet isolate him. Cold calling and hoping for the chance to check raise a flop is solid, imo.

climber · #10 11-24-2005, 02:38 PM

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I think I call in SB here, but if i was running bad I may fold.

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Please dont post such horrible advice.

BTW iDERG: lead the turn, I cant think of any situatuion where a 3-bet on a previous street that just gets called should get checked on the following street. Unless you are on a pure bluff and are planning to check/fold. There is just too much fold equity in the 3-bet, lead combo that you really shouldnt be three betting if you aren't going to lead.