Biggest Online Winner (BOW) Strategy

[mayesie]

Hello All,
I'd like to discuss the strategy used by the "Biggest Online Winner (BOW)", as described in Phil Gordon's Little Green Book. For those who haven't read the book, here's a brief description of the BOW strategy used in NL Cash Games (as referenced in the book on pp 246):

1. Get in the pot cheaply

2. Massively overbet with some premium draws

3. Massively overbet with the nuts or the best hand


Here's an example (also referenced from the book on pp 246):

After the flop the pot is 500.00
BOW has 5,000.00
I have 5,000.00 and Ac Kd
The flop comes down: Ah 7s 6s
BOW moves all-in


Here are some specifics I'd like to discuss:

1) Has anyone used this strategy? If so, what's your opinion of it? If not, feel free to give your opinion.

2) Do you believe this strategy to be effective w/ a standard buy-in of 100 BB?

3) For the purpose of using this strategy, could a clean 8-out draw be considered "Premium" on the flop? I think that the combination of Fold Equity & the Odds of making your hand make this a profitable play (though alot of other factors come into consideration, such as number of opponents & reads).


I know that many, many factors come to mind anytime one decides how to play a given holding. If you think it'll improve the quality of this post, I'll create some hands &
post them.


Thanks In Advance,
mayesie

[TheWorstPlayer]

This strategy is not good for SSNL. If you only overbet the nuts it is closer to optimal. People call WAY too much.

[mayesie]

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This strategy is not good for SSNL. If you only overbet the nuts it is closer to optimal. People call WAY too much.

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I can't say for sure whether or not they call too much in SSNL. Obviously, there are plenty of players willing to call off their stacks in increments. In my experience, an overbet of this magnitude is quite rare.

[PokerCat69]

Does the book suggest you move all in with TPTK/OverPairs/2pair?
in addition to big draws and sets.

[mayesie]

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Does the book suggest you move all in with TPTK/OverPairs/2pair?
in addition to big draws and sets.

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The book only states moving in w/ Premium Draws, the Nuts, or what's believed to still be the best hand. I believe you'd have no choice but to play the above-mentioned hands in the same fashion to avoid giving yourself away.

[punter11235]

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If you only overbet the nuts it is closer to optimal.

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I agree.
My fundamental rule of SSNL is to never see a showdown before allin with 2pair+ if I think I am ahead.

Best wishes

[PokerFink]

Doesn't Prahlad Friedman use a lot of this strategy?

Also, try posting this in MHNL. Semibluffing and table image are not exactly top priorities in SSNL.

[scrapperdog]

Like the idea, hate the example.

[mayesie]

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Like the idea, hate the example.

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Please elaborate as to why you hate about the example.

[scrapperdog]

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Like the idea, hate the example.

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Please elaborate as to why you hate about the example.

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Who do you think calls this bet? The majority of the time this bet is called AK is gonna loose. You are pushing off weaker aces that would put a reasonable amount of money in and only getting hands that will beat you to call.

If the example he gave was TJ4 with a flush draw and you have a set of 4's you might get called by AA, KK, QQ, J10, maybe even AJ or KQ with the open ender and overs. You might get called by someone with the flush draw as well. There are a ton of worse hands that might call a huge overbet. With your set you are gonna be a favorite over all these hands. That would be a better example IMO.