10/20: a river laydown - 99

Surfbullet · #1 09-23-2005, 01:08 PM

Vilalin is 51/15/2 over 68 hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

I feel this is a fold i used to not make but have started making recently. Thoughts?

Surf

#2 09-23-2005, 01:11 PM

I check this river in position. I don't think I can call this check raise unless I have a read on this guy as very tricky/loves to bluff.

paco · #3 09-23-2005, 01:12 PM

I think this is an uber-easy fold considering you've done nothing but bet/raise at every opportunity and he still like his hand enough to c/r you on the river.

You don't think this is a pretty thin value bet? What will he call with that you beat?

Edit: I guess a 5 or 6 is he's superdonk (which i see it looks like he is, but still. I guess if that's a good value bet I'm missing some)

augie00 · #4 09-23-2005, 01:17 PM

Nice hand.

Danenania · #5 09-23-2005, 01:18 PM

I don't know if I'm being too weak but I often don't raise this flop because I feel it threatens my likelihood of seeing a showdown too much. I assume you are calling down a flop 3-bet but how about a turn c/r? It's weird but in these hands where I have position I generally feel much more in control when I let the lag keep betting. Generally I think I would call down unless the turn is a non diamond overcard in which case I might raise and take the free SD.

paco · #6 09-23-2005, 01:50 PM

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...in which case I might raise and take the free SD.

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So you think the value bet is too thin as I do?

Danenania · #7 09-23-2005, 01:53 PM

Nah.. given the way it was played I like a river value bet. If he had called and raised the turn on a high card like I talked about he would be showing ton more strength so things would be different on the end.

paco · #8 09-23-2005, 02:43 PM

Wow, I guess I'm missing some value bets (well, I knew that was the case but its hard to identify where). Good to know.

cartman · #9 09-23-2005, 03:49 PM

The river is an easy value bet because you are will get called by a 5, a 6, a straight draw that became a pair of 7's, and some Ace high's.

I think the flop raise is fine if he is aggressive enough that you can call down even if he 3-bets or if he is passive enough that a 3-bet means at least a J. I think the important street here is the turn. I routinely check behind here and call a river bet because I don't really feel like I can call down if checkraised but, since I have a diamond I would really hate to fold also.

Cartman

ISF · #10 09-23-2005, 01:22 PM

I usually just call down here as well, but given that you raised the flop well played. Easy river fold, and I think the value bet is good.