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Surfbullet 09-23-2005 01:08 PM

10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
Vilalin is 51/15/2 over 68 hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

I feel this is a fold i used to not make but have started making recently. Thoughts?

Surf

09-23-2005 01:11 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
I check this river in position. I don't think I can call this check raise unless I have a read on this guy as very tricky/loves to bluff.

paco 09-23-2005 01:12 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
I think this is an uber-easy fold considering you've done nothing but bet/raise at every opportunity and he still like his hand enough to c/r you on the river.

You don't think this is a pretty thin value bet? What will he call with that you beat?

Edit: I guess a 5 or 6 is he's superdonk (which i see it looks like he is, but still. I guess if that's a good value bet I'm missing some)

augie00 09-23-2005 01:17 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
Nice hand.

Danenania 09-23-2005 01:18 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
I don't know if I'm being too weak but I often don't raise this flop because I feel it threatens my likelihood of seeing a showdown too much. I assume you are calling down a flop 3-bet but how about a turn c/r? It's weird but in these hands where I have position I generally feel much more in control when I let the lag keep betting. Generally I think I would call down unless the turn is a non diamond overcard in which case I might raise and take the free SD.

ISF 09-23-2005 01:22 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
I usually just call down here as well, but given that you raised the flop well played. Easy river fold, and I think the value bet is good.

paco 09-23-2005 01:50 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
[ QUOTE ]
...in which case I might raise and take the free SD.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you think the value bet is too thin as I do?

Danenania 09-23-2005 01:53 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
Nah.. given the way it was played I like a river value bet. If he had called and raised the turn on a high card like I talked about he would be showing ton more strength so things would be different on the end.

MAxx 09-23-2005 01:58 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
looks good to me.

i like the river valuebet/fold.

mcvalenc 09-23-2005 02:31 PM

Re: 10/20: a river laydown - 99
 
I'd bet/fold the river as well. A lot of straight draws could have paired the river card and will pay you off. He checkraised the river after you've shown nothing but strength the whole way, so I think it's a safe fold.


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