2 hands from today.

kongo_totte · #1 09-12-2005, 08:24 PM

Hand 1

Villian is 35/10 and from what I have seen, pretty bad. I have not seen him get totally out of line yet though.

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UTG ($42.50)
UTG+1 ($59)
Hero ($107.40)
MP1 ($169.33)
MP2 ($96)
MP3 ($99)
CO ($52)
Button ($240.58)
SB ($98)
BB ($115.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, Button raises to $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5, Button calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($31) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises to $33, Button folds, BB calls $23.

River: ($97) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero...?

Hand 2

Villian is completly unknown.

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SB ($37.15)
BB ($101.05)
UTG ($109.95)
UTG+1 ($182.55)
MP1 ($106.45)
MP2 ($99.45)
Hero ($101.95)
CO ($128.45)
Button ($95.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($19.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Thoughts?

DoomSlice · #2 09-12-2005, 08:26 PM

Do you really want 3 others to stay in on the flop in Hand 1?

kongo_totte · #3 09-12-2005, 08:28 PM

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Do you really want 3 others to stay in on the flop in Hand 1?

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On that flop, I'll take my chances and just call before PFR has acted.

foldem · #4 09-12-2005, 08:38 PM

Hand 1 push all in on the river

Hand 2 raise the turn to 25

kongo_totte · #5 09-12-2005, 08:39 PM

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Hand 2 raise the turn to 25

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Would you care to elaborate? Easy fold if he 3-bets?

foldem · #6 09-12-2005, 08:50 PM

Raise the turn for value and hand protection. He could be drawing pretty live with a hand like 67 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and be betting small to "freeze" you.

Without a read I would call a push but I am not sure how a typical unknown plays full ring 100NL. If your experience is he isn't three betting all in here without a house then raise and fold to a three bet.

kongo_totte · #7 09-12-2005, 08:57 PM

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Raise the turn for value and hand protection. He could be drawing pretty live with a hand like 67 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and be betting small to "freeze" you.

Without a read I would call a push but I am not sure how a typical unknown plays full ring 100NL. If your experience is he isn't three betting all in here without a house then raise and fold to a three bet.

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Here are some reasons I decided not to raise the turn.

7 6 is a quite unlikely holding for him to limp-call a raise w/ from UTG IMO.

A turn raise will very much give away my holding and allow him to play perfectly.

I am faced w/ a very tough decision if he 3-bets.

If he has what I think is most likely (a middle pair or perhaps even more likelyAA/KK (believe me, I see alot of people limp-calling this from EP)), he might bet the river small but is most certainly folding the turn.

Basically, the only hand raising has any merit against is 7 6s.

foldem · #8 09-12-2005, 09:01 PM

I think you are losing value from worse queens by not raising. BTW you would be surprised how hard most people find it to fold AA/KK even when they are obviously beat.

Kirkrrr · #9 09-13-2005, 08:07 AM

Hand 1 - I call the river. I don't see a worse hand paying you off here if you raise, and the pot is big enough.

Hand 1 - I am totally lost on why you didn't raise the flop... it's all you could hope for (I can't see suits but from what I gathered they don't play a role), and you really don't have that much to slow-play here. If you think he somehow has you already, that's weak-tight. So raise the flop, check the turn, value bet river would be my standard line.
As things stand... call turn, call a reasonable bet on river/value bet if checked to. Or just check behind. I think the flop play killed the hand, though.

Kirk

jkkkk · #10 09-12-2005, 08:45 PM

Hand 1 reminds me of a marginal situation where I held 77 on a 887Ax board, flop check-check, turn jk bets pot-call, jk pots again, min-raise, I push.

I lost the hand but figured he still would of called with 8x, I'm not so sure though. I think you can call this river.

Hand 2:

Raise the flop.