wasnt really looking to get checkraised here...

mike l. · #1 08-25-2005, 04:05 PM

villain sb is 25/25/2.5, cutoff was 33/11

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

johnnycakes · #2 08-25-2005, 04:08 PM

I think it's most likely right to fold that turn.
You're behind, and if you have odds to call, it's not by much.

Nigel · #3 08-25-2005, 04:10 PM

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I think it's most likely right to fold that turn.
You're behind, and if you have odds to call, it's not by much.

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You can't fold that turn, way too many outs. I think betting the turn was the mistake.

Nigel

johnnycakes · #4 08-25-2005, 04:30 PM

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I think it's most likely right to fold that turn.
You're behind, and if you have odds to call, it's not by much.

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You can't fold that turn, way too many outs. I think betting the turn was the mistake.

Nigel

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Yeah, I didn't take into account the SB's aggressiveness.
Against a "normal" opponent, I'd say he's got a set or an over-pair. He did cap out of the small blind.

But I can't recall every playing against a guy who played 25% of his hands and raised/re-raised/capped them pre-flop 100% of the time no matter what. That's what his stats mean, right?

Dazarath · #5 08-25-2005, 04:34 PM

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But I can't recall every playing against a guy who played 25% of his hands and raised/re-raised/capped them pre-flop 100% of the time no matter what. That's what his stats mean, right?

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This is what I'm wondering as well.

ihardlyknowher · #6 08-25-2005, 04:39 PM

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But I can't recall every playing against a guy who played 25% of his hands and raised/re-raised/capped them pre-flop 100% of the time no matter what. That's what his stats mean, right?

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I believe PFR stats only relate to the first raise.

Cancuk · #7 08-25-2005, 07:03 PM

I doubt the SB is capping then check/folding the turn, eps. w/ his aggress. I think betting the turn was the mistake.

cheers.

mike l. · #8 08-25-2005, 08:46 PM

"I think betting the turn was the mistake."

this is where the discussion should start imo.

just because someone is a laggro jackass doesnt mean we should miss bets against them and give free cards. and if he has it, he has it. laggros deserve to get paid on their winners once in awhile since they put in so much action with losers. it's why we would rather play against weak tights and loose passives.

slavic · #9 08-25-2005, 04:12 PM

The way he played it he can't fold the turn.

I'm hard pressed to say a turn check behind is right, and I'd call the river too.

Uhg, what a hand.

mike l. · #10 08-25-2005, 04:20 PM

"I'm hard pressed to say a turn check behind is right"

he's aggro. there's no way im checking a pair of jacks there. a pair of jacks is good way too often against a player like this.