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Old 08-17-2005, 02:10 PM
jcm4ccc jcm4ccc is offline
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Default A stop and go hand to flame

Somewhat late in Stars $10 + $1 rebuy. My thinking was that the big stack who called probably had an Ace, and that the pot was big enough that anything that increased my chances of winning the pot was a good thing. I still would have pushed if an Ace hit on the flop. I was going to push no matter what.

Seat 1: Short Stack (21418 chips)
Seat 2: Big Stack (146916 chips)
Seat 3: Someone else
Seat 4: Someone else
Seat 5: Hero (41716 chips)
Seat 6: Someone else
Seat 7: Someone else
Seat 8: Someone else

Seat 4 posts sb (3000 chips)
Hero posts bb (6000 chips)

Dealt to Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Seat 6 folds
Seat 7 folds
Seat 8 folds
Small stack: Raises 15418 to 21418 and is all-in
Big Stack: Calls 21418
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 folds
Hero: Calls 15418

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: Bets 19998 and is all-in
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:13 PM
pooh74 pooh74 is offline
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Default Re: A stop and go hand to flame

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Somewhat late in Stars $10 + $1 rebuy. My thinking was that the big stack who called probably had an Ace, and that the pot was big enough that anything that increased my chances of winning the pot was a good thing. I still would have pushed if an Ace hit on the flop. I was going to push no matter what.

Seat 1: Short Stack (21418 chips)
Seat 2: Big Stack (146916 chips)
Seat 3: Someone else
Seat 4: Someone else
Seat 5: Hero (41716 chips)
Seat 6: Someone else
Seat 7: Someone else
Seat 8: Someone else

Seat 4 posts sb (3000 chips)
Hero posts bb (6000 chips)

Dealt to Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Seat 6 folds
Seat 7 folds
Seat 8 folds
Small stack: Raises 15418 to 21418 and is all-in
Big Stack: Calls 21418
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 folds
Hero: Calls 15418

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: Bets 19998 and is all-in

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And I hate this because?

Edit: above wasnt very helpful. Basically you're getting your loot in no matter what here, so the only issue is how...Highly unlikely BS will go away preflop, so why not let him see a flop and fold...in essence, he is seeing 3 cards instead of 5 this way...IOW, this is LESS risky, with potentially less profit.

I like it...uh... flame away?
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:16 PM
DemonDeac DemonDeac is offline
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Default Re: A stop and go hand to flame

why not just push this preflop? i dont follow
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: A stop and go hand to flame

i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:21 PM
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i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.



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Old 08-17-2005, 02:40 PM
Dave D Dave D is offline
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i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.



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Old 08-17-2005, 02:49 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.

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nh
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:03 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.

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nice post.

only disagreement is that villain folds more than 50% on the flop.
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:55 PM
jcm4ccc jcm4ccc is offline
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i'll tell you when you should never use a stop and go. when there's a dry sidepot and you have a monster vs a large-stacked villian that is pot-committed enough to call your all-in preflop but will throw away the same hand 1/2 the time on the flop when you push.

don't do it again.

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nice post.

only disagreement is that villain folds more than 50% on the flop.

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I believe you're the fifth person to copy this answer.

Uncle.
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Old 08-17-2005, 05:08 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: A stop and go hand to flame

hehe... that's what i get for not reading the thread before i respond [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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