AKo - I still can't play Overcards!

waynethetrain · #1 08-13-2005, 01:50 PM

This is a pretty basic situation, but I wasn't sure how to play it.

I might have been ahead.
I might have been behind.
It might have been a chop.

It just didn't seem worth it on the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

GrunchCan · #2 08-13-2005, 01:55 PM

I think this hand is fine. If you had folded the flop, I would not have complained.

waynethetrain · #3 08-13-2005, 01:59 PM

I considered folding the flop. I figured I didn't have 6 outs, but I probably had more than 3. So I took a peak at 1 more card.

Aaron W. · #4 08-13-2005, 02:34 PM

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I considered folding the flop. I figured I didn't have 6 outs, but I probably had more than 3. So I took a peak at 1 more card.

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HOw did you get 3 outs? Worried about KK? I don't think you're reverse dominated here.

waynethetrain · #5 08-13-2005, 11:33 PM

I didn't have a clear idea of how many outs I had. I knew didn't want to give myself the full 6. I also knew he didn't cap. So there were a few potential hands I was ahead of and there were many I was behind (several possible pairs). The flop call seemed OK, but the turn didn't feel right at those odds. If someone could put a clearer number on my outs, it would help me determine if the turn fold was correct.

#6 08-14-2005, 04:39 PM

He's referring to the partial outs concept in SSHE. Count each overcard as 1.5... so AK would be 3. It might not apply here since it's unlikely the UTG raiser would have A3, A6, or A7 (or K3/6/7).

Redd · #7 08-13-2005, 02:00 PM

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I think this hand is fine. If you had folded the flop, I would not have complained.

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I also think this is fine, but I don't like a flop fold. Hero is getting 11.5:1+a bit of implied odds, which seems like more than enough to peel for me. Could you elaborate?

GrunchCan · #8 08-13-2005, 02:03 PM

I might fold the flop becasue of how many outs I think we have. I give the hand a long-term value of between 2 and 3 outs. It's close enough that I think there's little difference between folding and seeing 1 more card.

topspin · #9 08-13-2005, 02:58 PM

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I give the hand a long-term value of between 2 and 3 outs. It's close enough that I think there's little difference between folding and seeing 1 more card.

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Could you elaborate? Given the lack of a preflop cap, I think you're up against a pocket pair smaller than KK or a worse ace here much more often than AA/KK, which would give you a lot more outs than 2-3.

J. Sawyer · #10 08-14-2005, 12:20 AM

I dont think we have any info to say that we are up against AA,KK or Ax that paired the board.

I think folding the flop is a mistake. Not a huge one but a mistake.