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Old 05-31-2005, 11:40 AM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
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Default Your play here....

I'm really having a tough time with middle pairs in the early levels and didn't really like limping here but honestly didn't know what to do.

Post flop, I'm completely confused by the reraise and then re-reraise by UTG+1 and then the BB. I can't put either on 99 but maybe an overpair or A9, K9.

No real reads yet.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (8 handed) converter

Hero (t2270)
SB (t2710)
BB (t1395)
UTG (t310)
UTG+1 (t3480)
MP1 (t1040)
MP2 (t1810)
CO (t1985)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

1 fold, UTG+1 calls t40, 1 fold, MP2 calls t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t40, MP2 calls t40, Hero raises to t80, SB folds, BB calls t80, UTG+1 raises to t120, MP2 folds, Hero calls t40, BB raises to t330, UTG+1 calls t210, Hero calls t210.

I was thinking push here but again was thinking WTF?

What is your play here...
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Old 05-31-2005, 11:46 AM
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Old 05-31-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Your play here....

1) Call and look to fill up on turn. If not, and BB bets out big, fold.

2) Beat yourself for minraising the flop.

It should be pretty obvious that BB has 86 here about 95% of the time.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Your play here....

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It should be pretty obvious that BB has 86 here about 95% of the time.

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You're joking, right?
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Your play here....

Joking? Not really. Exaggerating? Yeah probably.

Honestly though, put BB on a hand. That is exactly how the majority of players would play 86.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:26 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: Your play here....

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Joking? Not really. Exaggerating? Yeah probably.

Honestly though, put BB on a hand. That is exactly how the majority of players would play 86.

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Folding here is still a crime. Push it.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:33 PM
2planka 2planka is offline
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Default Re: Your play here....

Kryo -

If BB has 86 then I lose my stack if my redraw doesn't hit.

The mistakes on the flop are the bigger issue. The OP tried to get cute with a min raise (a pet peeve) and then a pretty straight forward hand got tricky.

He can atone for his flop sins by pushing when the action is back to him. This is the only play, IMO.

If this is a big time MTT then the decision is much tougher. In a SNG structure, though, you have to push this.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:47 PM
Moonsugar Moonsugar is offline
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Default Re: Your play here....

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Joking? Not really. Exaggerating? Yeah probably.

Honestly though, put BB on a hand. That is exactly how the majority of players would play 86.

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And 2 pair. But 2 pair possibilities are more numerous than 86 possibilities.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: Your play here....

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Joking? Not really. Exaggerating? Yeah probably.

Honestly though, put BB on a hand. That is exactly how the majority of players would play 86.

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And 2 pair. But 2 pair possibilities are more numerous than 86 possibilities.

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This is an incredibly odd way to play 2 pair on a coordinated board.

FWIW, I'm running terrible and seeing monsters everywhere. At this rate, I'd advocate folding KK on the bubble to a shortstack all-in because I'd be certain they had AA. So take my advice with a grain of salt. I just can't see any other hand but 86 here a large percentage of the time.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: Your play here....

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It should be pretty obvious that BB has 86 here about 95% of the time.

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That's completely false. I'm willing to admit that BB has 99, 55, 86, 95, 97, or 57 here 95% of the time (95% might still be a little high). This range makes this a completely different decision than assuming your opponenet always has the nuts. The fact that BB could have two pair or an underset makes this decision much more mathematical.

I have found it a mistake to always assume villain has the nuts because that's what you fear.

Scuba

BTW, if BB "flashed" you 86, I would still call the t210 bet. The implied odds are enough for you if you hit on the turn.
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