Would you have folded AK here?

nsdjoe · #1 05-19-2005, 05:46 PM

No reads available.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (17.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

BottlesOf · #2 05-19-2005, 05:49 PM

Probably. Some kind of any kind of (not a typo) read would make me feel better. FWIW, I cap that flop every time.

DMBFan23 · #3 05-19-2005, 06:36 PM

might that not be a little much vs EP raiser plus capper plus flop 3 bettor?

milesdyson · #4 05-19-2005, 05:51 PM

River's a good fold as played.

UTG+1 has:

1 KK
3 AA
6 AK

and plays them all the same way... I would bust out a raise on the turn (or cap the flop). Waiting for the turn could be right in a more sizeable field (ie. not raising the first time).

MrWookie47 · #5 05-19-2005, 05:52 PM

Without a read that UTG+1 will play QQ this way, your situation on the flop looks grim, but calling down is good. When MP2 wakes up and raises, not only are you likely screwed by his crappy 2 pair, even crappier straight, or slowplayed whatsit, you're probably not good often enough against UTG+1 for what you have to pay to see the showdown. Good fold.

nsdjoe · #6 05-19-2005, 05:57 PM

Get ready to cringe:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (17.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
MP2 has Td Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 21.25 BB.

istewart · #7 05-19-2005, 05:58 PM

Don't leave the table.

milesdyson · #8 05-19-2005, 05:58 PM

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Results below:
UTG+1 has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
MP2 has Td Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 21.25 BB.

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No reads available.

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istewart · #9 05-19-2005, 06:02 PM

miles I was picking through the archives last night and you were once a readless monkey as well [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

milesdyson · #10 05-19-2005, 06:19 PM

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miles I was picking through the archives last night and you were once a readless monkey as well [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm not saying he should automatically have reads here, I'm say he now needs to take note of their play here and use the information in the future. I made a post last night where I didn't have a read..

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Pokertracker has just gotten sufficient hands on these two players to auto rate them: UTG+1 TPP (mouse); MP2 LPP (fish). If you'd had these reads before the hand, what would you have done differently (if any)?

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Those still aren't reads.