Set problem...

Garland · #1 04-29-2005, 07:43 PM

The main villian in this hand (UTG+2) is a fairly tight player:

24.44% VP$IP, PF Raise % = 2.22.

However it's only 44 hands worth of data. He also seems to underbet a lot.

It appears the other player (UTG+1) calling is a chaser, but short-stacked.

What would you do after the following sequence?

All comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (10 handed) converter

MP1 ($211)
MP2 ($670.80)
MP3 ($611.40)
Garland ($459.90)
Button ($337)
SB ($206.70)
BB ($324)
UTG ($120.10)
UTG+1 ($125.10)
UTG+2 ($488.60)

Preflop: Garland is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 3 folds, Garland calls $4, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Garland checks.

Turn: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $15, Garland raises to $40, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $40, UTG+2 raises to $65, Garland ????

lennytheduck · #2 04-29-2005, 07:59 PM

Ack, this is a gross spot to be in.

1. Bet the flop with bottom set.
2. I think you can put UTG+1 on some sort of drawing hand, considering his style from your previous observations and his cold call.
3. Would UTG+2 limp TT? Is he a TAP in general?

Overall, I have a hard time raising in this spot. You certainly don't want to fold, and calling doesn't seem like the best thing either, but I think it is best. Try to get to showdown cheap on the river. If a diamond or a 5 hits and you see action from UTG+1, you have an easy fold.

Hope it worked out.

edge · #3 04-29-2005, 08:20 PM

I'd be much more concerned with a 7 or 2 than a 5. Why did you check the flop last to act? Betting there isn't giving your hand away at all, and it builds the pot if anyone calls.

Sobolous · #4 04-29-2005, 09:28 PM

i cant fathom the check on the flop in a 4 way pot. i'd rather bet out and take a small pot here than give a free card that builds the pot for someone else.

youngin20 · #5 04-29-2005, 09:41 PM

call. then dump it on the river if you dont fill up. i feel like this is a math problem. he basically is giving you pot odds if you are behind, and i dont see him betting huge on ther river. there is a bit of money in the pot, and its three way. i dont see UTG folding, so...put that money in there. reraising will just get you reraised again..i think

iceman5 · #6 04-29-2005, 09:50 PM

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call. then dump it on the river if you dont fill up. i feel like this is a math problem. he basically is giving you pot odds if you are behind, and i dont see him betting huge on ther river. there is a bit of money in the pot, and its three way. i dont see UTG folding, so...put that money in there. reraising will just get you reraised again..i think

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You must be kidding. You think villain has 52?

iceman5 · #7 04-29-2005, 09:22 PM

I reraise to $200 straight.

creedofhubris · #8 04-30-2005, 05:40 AM

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The main villian in this hand (UTG+2) is a fairly tight player:

24.44% VP$IP, PF Raise % = 2.22.

However it's only 44 hands worth of data. He also seems to underbet a lot.

It appears the other player (UTG+1) calling is a chaser, but short-stacked.

What would you do after the following sequence?

All comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (10 handed) converter

MP1 ($211)
MP2 ($670.80)
MP3 ($611.40)
Garland ($459.90)
Button ($337)
SB ($206.70)
BB ($324)
UTG ($120.10)
UTG+1 ($125.10)
UTG+2 ($488.60)

Preflop: Garland is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 3 folds, Garland calls $4, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Garland checks.

Turn: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $15, Garland raises to $40, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $40, UTG+2 raises to $65, Garland ????

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I think going into calldown mode is best.

He could be on fool's-AA or 33, but beyond that I don't see what you beat. Still, the pot odds he's laying you can't be beat.

Siawyn · #9 04-30-2005, 11:43 AM

I would just call and see what the river brings. It's possible UTG+2 has a set, hopefully he backed into a set of threes. If his stats are close to what you've seen so far, it would be pretty much the only logical thing he could have.

By the way, bet the flop. 4 handed and it's checked to you.. how much respect will your flop bet get? If they all fold then you weren't going to make much anyways and it's the type of board where if anyone catches up, it's going to be a well-disguised straight most likely.

Garland · #10 04-30-2005, 06:13 PM

I went to call down mode. I looked at the board and saw that he could have a straight, but due to his tightness didn't really think that was as big a possibility as another set (two pair was extremely unlikely for this player). The river came a non-diamond 2 making a one card straight on the river, and since he underbet that too, I called, and the original chaser folded (he probably had diamonds). The UTG+2 re-raiser had a set of 33.

About the flop non-bet: This is a dry board with hardly any draws. I bet this flop 90% of the time, but decided to slow play it here. I got action by doing it that way as UTG+1 turned a draw, and UTG+2 turned a set. I think in this case slowplaying is ok.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Garland

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($211)
MP2 ($670.80)
MP3 ($611.40)
Garland ($459.90)
Button ($337)
SB ($206.70)
BB ($324)
UTG ($120.10)
UTG+1 ($125.10)
UTG+2 ($488.60)

Preflop: Garland is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 3 folds, Garland calls $4, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Garland checks.

Turn: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $15, Garland raises to $40, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $40, UTG+2 raises to $65, Garland calls $25, UTG+1 calls $25.

River: ($213) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $40, Garland calls $40, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: $293

Results below:
UTG doesn't show.
UTG+2 has 3h 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Garland has 4s 4c (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Garland wins $293.