150-300 J6s sb

[mike l.]

3 handed good live game. i have Jc6c in the sb. an okay player openraises on the button. i complete for 4 chips when i see that bb is ready to complete as well.

the flop is KJ8 rainbow. i bet, both call.

the turn is K putting two diamonds up there. checked to button who bets, we both call.

the river is 2h. checked to button who bets, i call.

comments?

[BiNgOsHaDo]

I dont mind any of the plays. None that jump out at me as being incorrect. I would be afraid of the BB having me beat with JT or QJ though, so I would most likely check-raise the turn and blow him out. There are too many hands the button could have for you to not have him beat here. Probably also value-bet the river as well, but you could make a case for checking if you think he will bet a busted ace high diamond draw.

[jayheaps]

shorthanded alot depends ont he nature of the game. I think a case can be made for check raising the turn so that BB can't draw to anything.

[Joe Tall]

Even 3-handed this is an easy much preflop, Mike. Why get involved out of position?

Peace,
Joe Tall

[glen]

"i complete for 4 chips when i see that bb is ready to complete as well."

So, what did you like better, the disapperance of dead money, or the fact another player would put you further out of position with a bad hand?

[andyfox]

I'm not a short-handed player, but isn't position of less importance than in a long-handed game? Button's pre-flop raise is apt to mean far less and the presence of the 3rd man post-flop is also apt to make the button less aggressive than he would be head-up, no?

[Sqred]

Position is much more important short handed than it is in full ring.

[Doubling12]

Playing devil's advocate - at least in a full game, you can have good relative position. Here, the hero has the worst position and the worst position relative to the preflop raiser. Having the button play less aggressively is bad in an implied odds sense, if you flop middle or bottom pair and decide ahead of time to call it down, which is what happened.

[Rushmore]

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Here, the hero has the worst position and the worst position relative to the preflop raiser

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You forgot to mention the worst hand.

If they weren't suited, would you play them?

If not, you shouldn't play them here, out of position for a raise. They're suitedness cannot compensate for the fact that you're likely well behind, holding garbage, and playing from out of position against two players who seem to like their hands.

A good indication of this fact would be the fact that you're about to pay off with your lousy second pair. Sure, you might pick up the pot once in awhile, but it sure doesn't look like +EV preflop against most tough players.

I say muck 'em preflop.

[Equal]

Seems like an easy fold to me. Of course the standard caveats apply: reads, tells, leveled thinking, advertising, future info, etc., etc.