150-300 J6s sb
 

3 handed good live game. i have Jc6c in the sb. an okay player openraises on the button. i complete for 4 chips when i see that bb is ready to complete as well.

the flop is KJ8 rainbow. i bet, both call.

the turn is K putting two diamonds up there. checked to button who bets, we both call.

the river is 2h. checked to button who bets, i call.

comments?

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

I dont mind any of the plays. None that jump out at me as being incorrect. I would be afraid of the BB having me beat with JT or QJ though, so I would most likely check-raise the turn and blow him out. There are too many hands the button could have for you to not have him beat here. Probably also value-bet the river as well, but you could make a case for checking if you think he will bet a busted ace high diamond draw.

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

shorthanded alot depends ont he nature of the game. I think a case can be made for check raising the turn so that BB can't draw to anything.

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

Even 3-handed this is an easy much preflop, Mike. Why get involved out of position?

Peace,
Joe Tall

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

"i complete for 4 chips when i see that bb is ready to complete as well."

So, what did you like better, the disapperance of dead money, or the fact another player would put you further out of position with a bad hand?

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

I'm not a short-handed player, but isn't position of less importance than in a long-handed game? Button's pre-flop raise is apt to mean far less and the presence of the 3rd man post-flop is also apt to make the button less aggressive than he would be head-up, no?

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

Seems like an easy fold to me. Of course the standard caveats apply: reads, tells, leveled thinking, advertising, future info, etc., etc.

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

I'm not a huge fan of the call in the SB but you are definitely getting your price if you are sure the BB is calling. I would fold or muck depending how I was running and how strong the button plays his position.

I like the lead bet on the flop and wouldn't have been thrilled by the button flat calling after the BB called.

If the BB wasn't in the hand I think the turn should be checkraised, but with the guy in the middle discretion may be the better part of valor.

I would have check called the river and expected a very big hand form the button.

Games this short seem very "how's he doing in the game" dependent. Because of this I change up a lot depending on how I am being percieved.

FJM

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

Position is much more important short handed than it is in full ring.

Re: 150-300 J6s sb
 

Just a quick observation that this hand is a good example of why I think kickers are way more important with 2nd pair than with top pair.