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Old 08-20-2004, 02:23 AM
TheGrifter TheGrifter is offline
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Default Stars 5/10NL game is soft

So, I'm screwing around with the little bit of money I have at stars, decide to buy in for the min. at 5/10NL. First time I got up to 400, and a guy called a 375 dollar raise preflop with AQo. Then I rebuy for a couple hundred more and this hand comes up...lots of loose calls preflop in this game..BBuddy had Q5


Dealer: Starting new hand: #628979236
Dealer: B Buddy posts small blind $5
Dealer: riverthenuts posts big blind $10
Dealer: Dealing Hole Cards
Dealer: DOTTT folds
Dealer: nycsundevil calls $10
Dealer: murphstahoe folds
Dealer: lunatico calls $10
Dealer: DaGrifter calls $10
Dealer: blitzforce calls $10
Dealer: DOTTT leaves the table
Dealer: kdhspyder calls $10
Dealer: B Buddy raises $90 to $100
Dealer: riverthenuts folds
Dealer: nycsundevil folds
Dealer: lunatico folds
Dealer: DaGrifter raises $185.75 to $285.75 and is all-in
Dealer: blitzforce folds
Dealer: kdhspyder folds
Dealer: B Buddy calls $185.75
Dealer: Dealing Flop: [4c Kd Qh]
Dealer: Dealing Turn: [Jh]
Dealer: Dealing River: [3d]
Dealer: B Buddy has a pair of Queens
Dealer: DaGrifter mucks hand
Dealer: Game #628979236: B Buddy wins pot ($618.50) with a pair of Queens
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Old 08-20-2004, 05:30 AM
AJo Go All In AJo Go All In is offline
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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So, I'm screwing around with the little bit of money I have at stars, decide to buy in for the min. at 5/10NL.

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you know what's funny? this is absolutely the #1 factor contributing to the game being soft.
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Old 08-20-2004, 08:57 PM
TheGrifter TheGrifter is offline
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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So, I'm screwing around with the little bit of money I have at stars, decide to buy in for the min. at 5/10NL.

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you know what's funny? this is absolutely the #1 factor contributing to the game being soft.

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No, the number one factor to the game being soft is people making negative EV plays.

It's a popular misnomer that buying in for a short-stack leads to a significant disadvantage.
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Old 08-20-2004, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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So, I'm screwing around with the little bit of money I have at stars, decide to buy in for the min. at 5/10NL.

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you know what's funny? this is absolutely the #1 factor contributing to the game being soft.

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No, the number one factor to the game being soft is people making negative EV plays.

It's a popular misnomer that buying in for a short-stack leads to a significant disadvantage.

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I think he was referring to the screwing around part, not the short buy-ins. Generally,

screwing around = -EV

Paul
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

It's a popular misnomer that buying in for a short-stack leads to a significant disadvantage.

do you know what the word misnomer means?
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Old 08-21-2004, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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It's a popular misnomer that buying in for a short-stack leads to a significant disadvantage.

do you know what the word misnomer means?

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I thought I did, but apparently not. Replace misnomer with misconception.
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Old 08-20-2004, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

You lost $375, why the over-bet? KK? I'd never toss my whole stack in PF, that is bad NL player move...

Only a premium hand can call that, AQ is premium to some people and they shot you down...

At first I thought you were the Q5 moron player... YIKES!

>Trainwreck<
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Old 08-20-2004, 08:58 PM
TheGrifter TheGrifter is offline
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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You lost $375, why the over-bet? KK? I'd never toss my whole stack in PF, that is bad NL player move...

Only a premium hand can call that, AQ is premium to some people and they shot you down...

At first I thought you were the Q5 moron player... YIKES!

>Trainwreck<

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The 375 dollar overbet was due to the fact that:

A: I was out of position

B: There were a number of players then a raise to 40 by a very poor player

C: I had QQ
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Old 08-21-2004, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

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You lost $375, why the over-bet? KK? I'd never toss my whole stack in PF, that is bad NL player move...

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You might want to think next time before responding like this to someone as good as theGrifter. He has reasons for his plays, and they don't come from blanket statements such as, "I'd never toss in my whole stack preflop."

Justin A
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Old 08-20-2004, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: Stars 5/10NL game is soft

... what the hell were u holding? TT is all I can think of, and that's not really a good all-in preflop hand.
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