I'm cleaning up.

Joe Tall · #1 05-21-2005, 05:15 PM

20/40 Lucky Chances last night.

One preflop-loose postflop-laggish player limps in the CO, predictible friend of his limps on the button the SB calls and I check w/T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, CO raises, button and SB folds and I call.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check, SB bets, I call.

River: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, he hesitates and bets, I quickly call.

Headed to the Giants v. A's game, peace,
Joe Tall

YoureToast · #2 05-21-2005, 06:11 PM

why no raise?

Joe Tall · #3 05-22-2005, 10:51 PM

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why no raise?

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Because I can't call a 3-bet or he can't call a raise.

Garland · #4 05-21-2005, 07:13 PM

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Flop: 8 6 2

SB checks, I bet, CO raises, button and SB folds and I call

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turn:
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I check, SB bets, I call.

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I would love to see the game where SB can fold the flop and continue on the turn. Also, I'd love to see the game where SB acts second[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Of course you made a typo and meant to type CO.

You're in my neck of the woods. Perhaps I'll bump into. Oh yeah. Nice hand.

Garland

Chris Daddy Cool · #5 05-21-2005, 07:52 PM

hi joe, i like it.

Joe Tall · #6 05-22-2005, 10:51 PM

My opponent showed A8o and I dragged.

sweetjazz · #7 06-10-2005, 05:27 PM

I understand your rationale for your river play, but I am curious...given that your opponent held A8o, do you think
(1) he would have called a river bet had you led out?
(2) he would have called a check-raise on the river?

I am asking mainly because I want to understand how this type of opponent will play. My intuition is that the answer to (1) is yes but the answer to (2) is no (though I wouldn't be shocked if he did call). I'm assuming that you would have expected him to bet A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the river when checked to.

Schizo · #8 05-22-2005, 11:42 PM

Why is this a bet??? You're out of position and the only thing you have is a BDFD (1.5 outs maximum but probably much less), gutshot (4 outs) and 2 overs (3 outs) in a 4 way pot. With 7 (not sure how to adjust the 1.5 for the BDFD) outs you need 5.6:1 odds to call. You are betting betting which is -EV with less then 5.6 and you have 3 callers. You might be semi-bluffing in a 4 way pot, so I guess it's good that you're OOP to avoid being check raised but still.

Sorry for the basic noob question but I don't see these kinds of plays in the SS forum at all.

rigoletto · #9 05-22-2005, 11:48 PM

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Why is this a bet??? You're out of position and the only thing you have is a BDFD (1.5 outs maximum but probably much less), gutshot (4 outs) and 2 overs (3 outs) in a 4 way pot. With 7 (not sure how to adjust the 1.5 for the BDFD) outs you need 5.6:1 odds to call. You are betting betting which is -EV with less then 5.6 and you have 3 callers. You might be semi-bluffing in a 4 way pot, so I guess it's good that you're OOP to avoid being check raised but still.

Sorry for the basic noob question but I don't see these kinds of plays in the SS forum at all.

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He also have 2 overcard outs and this is the kind of flop that hasn't hit many, so you bet to 1) take it down right there or 2) purify on the flop.

tpir90036 · #10 05-23-2005, 10:12 AM

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Why is this a bet???

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Well, peeling the turn will be close to correct if he checks the flop, so he might as well bet. If he folds out KT or the like he adds a pretty decent chunk of equity to his hand. (Around 8% just for cleaing up the ten).