77 river decision

[aargh57]

Villain is Loose and fairly passive postflop something like 49/7/.9

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)</font>
BB checks, [Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>
Hero ?

I bet\fold.

I think there's enough of a chance to fold bigger PP to make a bet here and I can safely fold to raise.

[deception5]

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I think there's enough of a chance to fold bigger PP to make a bet here and I can safely fold to raise.

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A bigger pocket pair would have folded the flop if they were going to fold at all.

[keetz555]

Preflop: Very marginal call. If the table is really passive, I might consider limping in.

Flop: Check-fold.

Turn: Check-fold.

River: Check-fold.

You missed your set. Let go of your small pocket pair.

[Vote4Pedro]

Are you serious?

[aargh57]

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Preflop: Very marginal call. If the table is really passive, I might consider limping in.

Flop: Check-fold.

Turn: Check-fold.

River: Check-fold.

You missed your set. Let go of your small pocket pair.

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Won't argue with preflop (although I don't see how this is a "very marginal" call) but the rest of your advise is pretty much

Flop:weak-tight
Turn:weak-tight
River:weak-tight

[keetz555]

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Won't argue with preflop (although I don't see how this is a "very marginal" call) but the rest of your advise is pretty much

Flop:weak-tight
Turn:weak-tight
River:weak-tight

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Flop: If not betting into five opponents with 77 makes me weak-tight... Well, I guess I'm weak-tight.

Turn: You didn't pick up the pot on the flop. Big surprise, eh? (I'd slow down here. But I'm weak-tight.)

River: I wouldn't play a pair of sevens from early position to the river. (But then again, I'm weak-tight.)

[aargh57]

Read Hand 5 in SSH P. 270

"Important: There is a big difference between just betting and calling. Pocket pairs just above the 2nd highest flop card exemplify this point. In this example if the hand had been checked to you, you should definitely bet."

[deception5]

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If not betting into five opponents with 77 makes me weak-tight... Well, I guess I'm weak-tight.

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Although I disagree with the rest of your advice, this is actually a pretty good point (actually 4 opponents but I still think I'd want one less player in there to bet this). Problem is your bet has little chance of folding so many opponents on the flop which means you need to follow up with a turn bet (which half the time is another overcard to your pair). So you're guaranteed to spend 3SB on a 5.5SB pot. Since no one can have more than one overcard to the board and it's relatively drawless, you're often losing here when someone calls the flop.

As far as the river on this hand I'd check/fold if the opponent were more passive, but bet/fold in this case.

[aargh57]

My hand's almost identical to that hand problem. SSH advocates betting into 4 players in that situation, why wouldn't we here.