Looking for individual to help with bot

Hello everyone. I have completed a partial bot. I am still, however, unhappy with its performance. The bot reads everything on the screen perfectly. Pot size, cards, etc. I have got it down to nearly flawless screen reading. My problem is in the evaluation stage. If anyone is currently interested in making a bot, I can be of help to you in the early stages of its development as I have gotten very far. My bot however has not been thoroughly tested. It is certainly capable of playing by itself for hours without problems. It has logged over 10 hours on a poker site without detection thus far. I don't believe it is capable of being detected.

My results have been disappointing. I don't think I want to waste $1000 only to learn that it is a - EV player. I'm looking for someone who can help me with the formula of playing poker. If I can turn it into a winning bot, your reward would be the bot program. I currently have exhausted everything that I know in making this bot. I'm looking for formulas. Definitions of EV in mathematical terms. If you were to program a bot, how would you define "when to call a raise". "when to raise a raise" . "when to fold". The bot currently knows when to bet and knows when a call is correct. His problem is deciding how to go about evaluating raises. Please reply below or PM me. Thanks.

[NWCougar]

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch

Bad poker player trying to write good bot?

[RedManPlus]

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Bad poker player trying to write good bot?

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Actually...
I've given this some thought...
And to code a decent bot...
You have to be at least an ** average ** poker player...
And understand the game thoroughly.

But what is FAR more important...
Is the experience and creativity...
To overcome the multitude of problems you will encounter.
Creative problem solving is paramount.

Coding a good poker bot...
Is far more difficult than people might imagine.

Automated stock trading is the norm...
And automated game playing is not all that different...
But I would guesstimate...
That 99% of bot projects ultimately fail...
Because the developer has a weak link in his chain.

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[PokerAce]

So let me get this straight. You write the easy part of the bot and you expect others to write the hard part for you? Yes, scraping the screen and reading the pot sizes, clicking the buttons, etc, is the easy part, despite how difficult you may have found it.

That's pretty pathetic.

Why don't you spend your time actually learning how to play poker instead of trying to write software to do it for you?

Also, this is a terrible forum to post this kind of request on. Players here spend hundreds of hours learning and studying how to play poker. Nobody is going to want to help you write a bot that will give you the same advantage they spent untold hours perfecting.

Oh yeah, enjoy having your account locked and money taken by the sites you choose to use this on.

I apologize for the harshness of this post. I am a professional poker player and bots like the one you want to develop is a threat to my livelyhood.

[RedManPlus]

If you are so threatened by this...
Then you can't possibly be much of a poker player.

Poker Bots are inevitable...
Just as the development of automated stock trading was inevitable.

Technology marches onward on all fronts.

Nothing can be done to stop them...
As long as casinos are offshore...
And neither Bots nor Sites are subject to US laws.

And since your "livelihood" is a pure form of exploitation...
Consisting of taking money away from the halt and the lame...
The rough equivalent of mugging retarded or senile people...
There is absolutely no "moral high ground" for you to stand on.

Adapt or Die.

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[bdmcgraw]

I would like to work with you OP. I have a lot of great ideas to turn a bot into a winner. I've played for about a year and am a winning LHE ring game player.

I have fooled around trying to figure out how to read input from "pokerroom.com" but don't feel like investing the month or so it would take to interpret the information being sent. I have PM'd you with further info.

[PokerAce]

I'm not worried about a single bot. What I'm worried about is if someone writes a winning bot and all the poor players out there find it, all of a sudden, you are sitting at a table of 9 other good players instead of 5-7 fish.

Also, I do not consider what I do exploitation. I'm not conning anyone out of their money. They choose to sit down at that table. I simply made the choice to spend hundred of hours studying and learning to give me an edge.

Your comparison is way off as well. Someone choosing to sit down at a poker table, fully knowing that they may lose everything in front of them is entirely different than mugging retarded or senile people. How did you even think this would be similar?

If OP wanted to develop a bot for the challenge, or to put it against other bots on a bot designated site, then that's fine. However, OP obviously wants to have his bot play poker and win money for him. Not only is this against every poker site's TOS, but it is cheating.

Let's make a similar comparison. Someone develops a robot that can play perfect golf. This robot can accurately calculate everything needs to hit the ball exactly where it wants with uncanny accuracy. Should this robot be able to play on the PGA Tour? Would the players who've spent their entire lives perfecting their game have the right to complain about this? I would certainly hope that people would see the problem with this.

It's completely different to use technology to develop better golf clubs, improve your swing, etc, as long as the ultimate responsibility for play is on the human. This is similar to the player assisting apps we have (PokerTracker, PA Hud, etc). Poker bots would be identical to this golf robot, only worse because the golf robot wouldn't be easily duplicated.

[Sniper]

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I'm not worried about a single bot. What I'm worried about is if someone writes a winning bot and all the poor players out there find it, all of a sudden, you are sitting at a table of 9 other good players instead of 5-7 fish.

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Are you also concerned about the 70,000 people that have read SSH? Or, that more and more people will take the time to educate themselves on their play as you have?

A bot is only as good as the programmer that designed the AI algorithms. There are bots already playing on online sites. If you are a good player, what are you worried about... your just going to evaluate its actions like any other player, and exploit its weaknesses.

If you are going to continue to be successful as a poker player, you will have to adapt to the changing environment, not be fearful of it.

That you find the idea of bots disturbing, should be a warning sign that you need to enhance your game.

[PokerAce]

Most people who play don't know any better. They think it's gambling just like any other casino game. There are some players who realize there's more to the game. At this point, they have to make the effort to buy/borrow the books and spend hours of their spare time reading and thinking about what they are reading. Out of the 70k people who've purchased SSH, how many do you think actually read it all? Out of those who did, how many actually comprehended what they read? Out of those, how many actively used what they comprehended in their game?

Out of those 70k people, only a small percentage of them become better players because of it. However, if those same 70k people downloaded a poker bot, every single last one of them would have the advantage with no effort.

Yes, a bot is only as good as its programmer. If there is one or two bots at a table, that's fine. However, when it's 8 bots against two humans with the bots playing mathematically perfect poker, how much do you think the humans are going to win?

Just like I don't want to play at a table full of sharks, I do not want to play at a table full of bots. If you enjoy playing against a table full of sharks, more power to you. I'd prefer to play at a table where I have a huge edge over most of the players. You win more money that way.

So basically, I'm not afraid to play against bots. What I'm worried about is bots becoming wide spread and the fish disappearing. It would really suck if online poker became nothing but a bunch of bots swapping their money back and forth with some pros trying to scrape what little off the top they can manage.