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08-13-2005 09:34 PM

Looking for individual to help with bot
 
Hello everyone. I have completed a partial bot. I am still, however, unhappy with its performance. The bot reads everything on the screen perfectly. Pot size, cards, etc. I have got it down to nearly flawless screen reading. My problem is in the evaluation stage. If anyone is currently interested in making a bot, I can be of help to you in the early stages of its development as I have gotten very far. My bot however has not been thoroughly tested. It is certainly capable of playing by itself for hours without problems. It has logged over 10 hours on a poker site without detection thus far. I don't believe it is capable of being detected.

My results have been disappointing. I don't think I want to waste $1000 only to learn that it is a - EV player. I'm looking for someone who can help me with the formula of playing poker. If I can turn it into a winning bot, your reward would be the bot program. I currently have exhausted everything that I know in making this bot. I'm looking for formulas. Definitions of EV in mathematical terms. If you were to program a bot, how would you define "when to call a raise". "when to raise a raise" . "when to fold". The bot currently knows when to bet and knows when a call is correct. His problem is deciding how to go about evaluating raises. Please reply below or PM me. Thanks.

NWCougar 08-13-2005 09:53 PM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch

08-13-2005 09:56 PM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
Bad poker player trying to write good bot?

RedManPlus 08-13-2005 10:54 PM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
[ QUOTE ]
Bad poker player trying to write good bot?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually...
I've given this some thought...
And to code a decent bot...
You have to be at least an ** average ** poker player...
And understand the game thoroughly.

But what is FAR more important...
Is the experience and creativity...
To overcome the multitude of problems you will encounter.
Creative problem solving is paramount.

Coding a good poker bot...
Is far more difficult than people might imagine.

Automated stock trading is the norm...
And automated game playing is not all that different...
But I would guesstimate...
That 99% of bot projects ultimately fail...
Because the developer has a weak link in his chain.

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PokerAce 08-14-2005 12:28 AM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
So let me get this straight. You write the easy part of the bot and you expect others to write the hard part for you? Yes, scraping the screen and reading the pot sizes, clicking the buttons, etc, is the easy part, despite how difficult you may have found it.

That's pretty pathetic.

Why don't you spend your time actually learning how to play poker instead of trying to write software to do it for you?

Also, this is a terrible forum to post this kind of request on. Players here spend hundreds of hours learning and studying how to play poker. Nobody is going to want to help you write a bot that will give you the same advantage they spent untold hours perfecting.

Oh yeah, enjoy having your account locked and money taken by the sites you choose to use this on.

I apologize for the harshness of this post. I am a professional poker player and bots like the one you want to develop is a threat to my livelyhood.

Sniper 08-14-2005 01:03 AM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
For more info on BOT AI, read thru the University of ALberta research reports and the Poker Academy API forums.

That said, I don't endorse your using your bot on a live poker site that specifically prohibits its use. I do however predict, that at some point in the future, at least one online poker room will open a specifically designated area for bot play.

08-14-2005 02:50 AM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
Well, to make a good bot you have to be a very good programmer and a better poker player. Remember, it isn't whether machines think, it is whether men do!

gasoltub 08-14-2005 11:48 AM

Re: Looking for individual to help with bot
 
hehe

someone should "help" him, if you know what I mean... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


oh, and I also hope a penis grows out of your forehead.

RedManPlus 08-14-2005 11:56 AM

No Moral High Ground For You, Dude
 
If you are so threatened by this...
Then you can't possibly be much of a poker player.

Poker Bots are inevitable...
Just as the development of automated stock trading was inevitable.

Technology marches onward on all fronts.

Nothing can be done to stop them...
As long as casinos are offshore...
And neither Bots nor Sites are subject to US laws.

And since your "livelihood" is a pure form of exploitation...
Consisting of taking money away from the halt and the lame...
The rough equivalent of mugging retarded or senile people...
There is absolutely no "moral high ground" for you to stand on.

Adapt or Die.

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bdmcgraw 08-14-2005 12:15 PM

Re: No Moral High Ground For You, Dude
 
I would like to work with you OP. I have a lot of great ideas to turn a bot into a winner. I've played for about a year and am a winning LHE ring game player.

I have fooled around trying to figure out how to read input from "pokerroom.com" but don't feel like investing the month or so it would take to interpret the information being sent. I have PM'd you with further info.


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