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PP, From Villain\'s POV
Going to try something different here. Not just another straightforward HH post, I hope--altho I know this has been done before. Onto the hand:
Villain has played a bit passively. He has a tendency to call weaker hands. PF selection is also spotty, as he called a bet/raise PF with Q3o. Hero has been playing aggressive PF, but has seen very few showdowns. Betting into him has resulted in folds, even on marginally dangerous flops. Yeah, I played weak today. That read on myself hurt. Anyway, here we go: Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: VILLAIN is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">VILLAIN raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, HERO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">VILLAIN bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">HERO raises</font>, BB calls, VILLAIN calls, MP calls. Turn: (8.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">VILLAIN bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">HERO raises</font>, BB calls, VILLAIN calls, MP calls. River: (16.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">VILLAIN bets</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">HERO raises</font>, BB folds, VILLAIN calls. Final Pot: 20.25 BB 1.) What is Hero's range PF? 2.) Does Villain take the right lines here? 3.) What is Hero holding? 4.) How about Hero's lines? EDIT: How about that BB's lines? Calling 2 bets to him with a completely drawless board? Also fixed Villain's position--he's UTG. -AC |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
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1.) What is Hero's range PF? [/ QUOTE ] AQs, AJs, 77, 88, KQs (maybe) [ QUOTE ] 2.) Does Villain take the right lines here? [/ QUOTE ] I like the stop n go on the chance that Hero has 77 or 88, but I'm folding to the turn raise. [ QUOTE ] 3.) What is Hero holding? [/ QUOTE ] AQs [ QUOTE ] 4.) How about Hero's lines? [/ QUOTE ] I'm probably just calling the river here. His line could mean a scared KK/AA. |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
Your post is confusing because you edited in such a way, that it still says the villain is on the button when clearly the hero is on the button. Anyway you have a set of 6s or possibly 3s and villain sucks.
-DeathDonkey |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
Point taken. Check the OP, its fixed.
-AC |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
Hero cold-called! I put him on AQo (possibly KQo but I think Hero raised too many times for that).
Personally, I like a flop 3-bet. If a weak-tightie (sorry, but it's your read) caps, call and check/fold the turn UI. If he calls and raises again on the turn, I fold. If I don't 3-bet the flop, I probably bet/fold the turn. In Hero's shoes, I probably just call the river, although if I knew for SURE that raising would get rid of BB... BB is a puzzle. A3 or A6 hoping for an ace? Edit: I didn't think about 33 or 66. With the trips I raise the river, too, although a playing 33 this way is not entirely to my taste. |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
i don't know what Hero could have as i think any hand he has should 3-bet or fold PR especially 6-max.
setting that aside I hope: A/KQs. should we really be cold calling pocket pairs 3rd in? i don't but i'm willing to listen if people say we should.... river: i hope Hero has a set or his river raise makes no sense to me and i pray to all that's holy he doesn't have AA/KK or that is uber-weaksauce and you should be noodle-slapped. oh and IMO, villain's line blows monkeynuts. |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
I put hero on 45s, for the straight
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
I must say that this post accomplished its purpose. Normally I wouldn't flip villain and hero around, but this case seemed perfect to me b/c of the beat I took here, as well as the hand I held and the fact that villain and I took incredily similar lines.
The criticism of villain's play has served me almost as much as the critique of my play. Thanks to everyone who posted. I held 88. -AC |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
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I put hero on 45s, for the straight [/ QUOTE ] This in no way resembles a reasonable cold-calling hand. If hero has 45s here, he sucks. This looks more like a pocket pair or AQo/s - both of which are bad coldcalls in this situation. I'd probably fold anything below 55 here and 3 bet 66+ and AQo if I intended on playing. |
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Re: PP, From Villain\'s POV
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I must say that this post accomplished its purpose. Normally I wouldn't flip villain and hero around, but this case seemed perfect to me b/c of the beat I took here, as well as the hand I held and the fact that villain and I took incredily similar lines. The criticism of villain's play has served me almost as much as the critique of my play. Thanks to everyone who posted. I held 88. -AC [/ QUOTE ] Fold the turn. |
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