Standard River Raise?

Danenania · #1 07-09-2004, 04:43 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero (poster) raises, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB
Main Pot: 15.25 BB, between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by MP1 (15.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP1 shows 8d 6d (flush, queen high).
Hero shows Qh Kd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 15.25 BB.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #2 07-09-2004, 04:51 PM

You raised preflop and have been driving all along. Now he bets into you on the river. When you raise, what hand calls the raise that you can beat?

BaronVonCP · #3 07-09-2004, 05:00 PM

45, 34, AK. I'm not saying those hands are more likely than a flush, or even enough to warrent the raise, but they will show up.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #4 07-09-2004, 05:04 PM

I don't think hands like that will play the entire hand like this opponent did often enough for the river raise to be +EV.

Remember, the raise is only correct if you will win more than half the time you're called.

Danenania · #5 07-09-2004, 05:06 PM

I raised this because it was backdoor 3-flush that showed up. It wasn't there on the flop. FWIW I get bet into like this all the time on the river when the guy has crap.

Danenania · #6 07-09-2004, 05:08 PM

Kurn, another part of the reason I raised was that I thought one or two of the opponents behind me might cold-call. Does this make it possibly more +EV?

Kurn, son of Mogh · #7 07-09-2004, 05:09 PM

I know they'll bet into you with crap. That's why you call. How often will a bluff call a raise?

Kurn, son of Mogh · #8 07-09-2004, 05:11 PM

The opponents left to act behind you make it less likely that the bet's a bluff. What do you do if you're reraised?

Danenania · #9 07-09-2004, 05:18 PM

I didn't really mean that I thought it was a stone bluff. By crap I meant a weak 2-pair or maybe just a pair of Queens.

Vee Quiva · #10 07-09-2004, 05:34 PM

Please read Lee Jones book on low limit holdem. The raise on the river is awful. MP1 has been a calling station the whole way and then he bets into you on the river with 3 to a flush on the board. A $4 bluff on the river rarely works so why would your opponent throw his money away? Just call and pray.