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Danenania 07-09-2004 04:43 PM

Standard River Raise?
 
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, Hero (poster) raises, MP3 calls, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 15.25 BB, between MP1 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP1 (15.25 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MP1 shows 8d 6d (flush, queen high).
Hero shows Qh Kd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 15.25 BB. </font>

Kurn, son of Mogh 07-09-2004 04:51 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
You raised preflop and have been driving all along. Now he bets into you on the river. When you raise, what hand calls the raise that you can beat?

BaronVonCP 07-09-2004 05:00 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
45, 34, AK. I'm not saying those hands are more likely than a flush, or even enough to warrent the raise, but they will show up.

Kurn, son of Mogh 07-09-2004 05:04 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
I don't think hands like that will play the entire hand like this opponent did often enough for the river raise to be +EV.

Remember, the raise is only correct if you will win more than half the time you're called.

Danenania 07-09-2004 05:06 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 

I raised this because it was backdoor 3-flush that showed up. It wasn't there on the flop. FWIW I get bet into like this all the time on the river when the guy has crap.

Danenania 07-09-2004 05:08 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 

Kurn, another part of the reason I raised was that I thought one or two of the opponents behind me might cold-call. Does this make it possibly more +EV?

Kurn, son of Mogh 07-09-2004 05:09 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
I know they'll bet into you with crap. That's why you call. How often will a bluff call a raise?

Kurn, son of Mogh 07-09-2004 05:11 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
The opponents left to act behind you make it less likely that the bet's a bluff. What do you do if you're reraised?

Danenania 07-09-2004 05:18 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 

I didn't really mean that I thought it was a stone bluff. By crap I meant a weak 2-pair or maybe just a pair of Queens.

Vee Quiva 07-09-2004 05:34 PM

Re: Standard River Raise?
 
Please read Lee Jones book on low limit holdem. The raise on the river is awful. MP1 has been a calling station the whole way and then he bets into you on the river with 3 to a flush on the board. A $4 bluff on the river rarely works so why would your opponent throw his money away? Just call and pray.


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