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Mediocre 100-200 game, I am gonna pick up soon...I open raise in MP with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Folded to BB who calls. BB is a tough solid regular in the game. We have never played against eachother before...I am 24 years old and might appear to him as someone a little tight and nervous taking a shot. Not really sure...

Flop 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

My opponent leads...what is my plan for the rest of the hand?

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raise the flop for starters, and cap if you get the chance.

then bet the turn if checked to. he may have almost anything thinking you are on some big cards. convince him you have that overpair, if he doesnt believe you, then you have alot of outs to fall back on.

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do everything you can to convince him to fold. that means raising this flop and firing your bullets on the other streets as well. if he 3-bets your flop bet which will happen a good amount of time, well, then you got to hit to win.

also if he's a bit nitty you can go for the delay semi-bluff and raise the turn hoping he'll fold his overcards or even lay down a pair right there.

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I agree that you should do everything you can to make him fold. In this case, I believe you should flat call the flop, then raise on the turn. Play it like you have a 7. You are pretty sure he doesn't have a 7 since he led the flop. Additionally, you may hit on the turn or river.

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I agree that you should do everything you can to make him fold. In this case, I believe you should flat call the flop, then raise on the turn. Play it like you have a 7. You are pretty sure he doesn't have a 7 since he led the flop. Additionally, you may hit on the turn or river.

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its not really that believable that hero would have a 7 here cuz he raised preflop. if anything a turn raise would represent an overpair, though a smart player may see it as a bs free-showdown/semibluff overcard play too.

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this is really a perfect situation:

he thinks you're tighter and much more nervous that you really are...now given that HOW do you want to show you're strength...i think its pretty clear you should either raise now, or raise a turn bet if you hit or if you dont.

benefits to raising now are that it'll set the stage now for later both in the hand and the session...if he folds here with no showdown he'll continue to think that you are a straightforward tight player...

if you call now he can probably put you on exactly what you have and play correctly for the rest of the hand.

question: do you want a free card if checked to on the turn, or is he so sure you're tight that you should bet the turn and river also?

-Barron

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you should flat call the flop, then raise on the turn. Play it like you have a 7.

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if anything a turn raise would represent an overpair, though a smart player may see it as a bs free-showdown/semibluff overcard play too.

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I agree that a turn raise looks like an overpair. This is exactly why my thought reading the original post is to call the flop and raise the turn, representing a big pair. But it's hard to say for sure because it depends on the norms in this game. If it is routine to jam it up on the flop in a spot like this with an overpair, then waiting until the turn will obviously look suspicious.

I agree that a smart player may see through the turn raise, but he just as well might see through flop aggression. Again, that really depends on the norms in this game.

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raising the flop is either 0EV or +EV while offerring semibluffing potential, while raising the turn is -EV. unless you are sure that raising the turn will increase your semibluffing potential significantly, i dont find it optimal.

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unless you are sure that raising the turn will increase your semibluffing potential significantly, i dont find it optimal.

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I agree (assuming we don't help on the turn). It's pretty clear that the only reason to raise the turn is if we have a decent chance of taking down the pot. This is why it's so game-dependent. I think that in a lot of games, raising the turn is going to take down the pot fairly often, while raising the flop almost never will. At least in the games I play, this is usually true. I agree that if you are in a game where a turn raise won't represent a big hand convincingly, then you are just throwing money away by taking this line.

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"if you call now he can probably put you on exactly what you have and play correctly for the rest of the hand"

Really? I see this bet as trying to freeze up the "kid" and get him to dump his overcards. If you just call, you could easily have overcards, or slowplaying a big hand. It's hard to believe he would know that a T,9,8 or heart is what he has to worry about - his plan is probably to bet any rag card again on the turn.

With nothing to show down I think you have to take a stand on the turn, and it's your best chance to convince him that you have a better hand than A-high, which is probably the best hand he'll fold.

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Nice flop. I'd pound this turkey as much as I could. If he calls it all good for him, just so him your soon-too-be straight flush.

Whenever I flop a monster draw like this, I feel obligated by Shania to blast it.

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So raise the flop and if he calls then bet any turn card JV?

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Raise the flop see if you can get a free turn card? That would be my plan cap it if you get the chance. You hit the turn for flush or a 8 your golden if now you have a free turn card prolly....Im new to higher limit though maybe my thinkings wrong

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the problem with taking a free card on the turn is if you miss your draw he shows down J-10 or A-8 or K-Q and you wanna shoot yourself

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So raise the flop and if he calls then bet any turn card JV?

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yeah, no way I am giving him a free showdown here. give him a chance to dump his hand on the turn, which if you miss your card is great.

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I definitely like raising the flop. If he 3 bets you on the flop I think it is much better to just call the 3 bet then raise the turn. That line does the best job of making it look like you are huge.

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I don't think you can raise the flop representing an overpair and then take the free turn card. That just looks way too fishy. You gotta fire another one on the turn unimproved and hope he folds or you hit.

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Nice flop. I'd pound this turkey as much as I could. If he calls it all good for him, just so him your soon-too-be straight flush.

Whenever I flop a monster draw like this, I feel obligated by Shania to blast it.

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Whew, I was worried there was something more complicated to it than that.

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I like this line better than capping the flop if he 3 bets since it no longer looks like you may be pumping a big draw i.e. AKh-A2h or T9h, especially given his age and thoughts about his image (although I think hiatus and his level of concentration would make it impossible to think he's inexperienced if one played with him for a few hours. . . ) This is not a free card situation though and if called bet the river despite all the previous action. ..

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How is that a monster flop? The overcards may not be good and hero may be up against triplicates. In a game this size opponents mix their play up. Opponent may have a Six or he
may be slowplaying an overpair before the flop. I would raise
the flop and if I am three bet try to draw as cheaply as possible.

Bruce

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I think the best semi-bluff line here is to raise the flop, and hope he 3 bets. If he does, just call. He'll lead the turn, raise regardless of the card. This simple stop and go looks a lot like AA or KK. Capping the flop may be correct, but it looks more like AKs with two overs and a flush draw then it does anything else.

lf

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wait for the turn and raise him then.

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Yes. And if he 3-bets, call and raise the turn.

He doesn't have much and you just have to convince him that his not much is not going to be good enough.

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where was this? commerce?

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Yeah, Paluka this line rules. Although I think it's gonna be hard for this guy to put you on a flush draw, but it does seem that the only hand people cap on the flop these days are flush draws. I guess it would require actually playing poker to do any differently.


His hand is probably pretty weak (maybe 90%) or pretty darn strong (10%), something like that. I think this guy wants to get to the river as cheaply as he can. I've got him on something like AJ or 33.

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of course since it's live there is no cap.

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Get as many bets as possible in on the flop. Bet the turn if checked to or pop it again if he bets. If he does take you as nervous about taking a shot he could be trying to push you around with just about anything. Even if he's well ahead you've got a lot of the deck on your side with two cards to come. For the record even if I played against this guy a lot and he repected my play I would probably play the hand out this way... the raise, first in, with a less than premium hand is more of a variance play anyway so I would play it out whether I hit or not.

AAeyes

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when and where do you play in this game?

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If youre plan is to raise the turn, you will likely have more bluffing equity there if an A,K,Q come off. He may check fold if an ace comes off, and if he bets into an ace or king and you raise, may believe you called with AK/AQ/AJ and were calling him on the flop.

RESULTS
 

I raised the flop. He called

The turn was the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

My opponent checked and folded after thinking for a little