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Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 04:38 PM

Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
As some of you know, I am organizing a group buy of custom dual-edgespot T.R. King chips with their stock "King's Crown" inlay. The price I have been quoted by T.R. King for 5,000 chips or more is $0.85 apiece. Please PM me with your email address and how many chips you would be looking to buy if you are interested. In the meantime, please comment on my rough mockups with my initial thoughts on colors:

$1 Light Blue - Dark Blue/White
$5 Red - Dark Blue/Yellow
$25 Green - Light Green/Pink
$100 Black - Purple/Light Turquoise
$500 Purple - Orange/White

http://img61.exs.cx/img61/6012/customkingscrowna8nt.jpg

Please note that the colors I used are only rough - how the colors actually appear on the real chips from T.R. King will certainly vary a bit.

All comments welcome.

warewulf 01-09-2005 05:14 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
Dark blue on the $1 chips. Not so sure on the edge spot colors, but not bad at all!

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 05:31 PM

Re: Dark Blue $1
 
Yes warewulf, I agree this looks much better:

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/9721/custo...wnccopy5uc.jpg

PinataUT 01-09-2005 05:32 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
Nice job.

Consider something like this one dollar chip (as pictured above but with a double-wide light blue at top and bottom and a double-wide white at left and right).


By using this inlay one could draw from these chips for other denominations or to replaces ones in the custom set that someone really didn't like as much as the 'stock' ones offered by TR King or Apache.

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/9721/custo...wnccopy5uc.jpg

From TR KING $.90 per chip (e.g. if you wanted the white 4 1/8" brown for your $1 instead of the one from the custom set or if you wanted to add a $5k or $10k edgespot chip)
http://www.trking.com/stockinl.gif

From Apache Pokerchips $.87 each (e.g. if you really wanted a plain white chip or a few $10,000)
http://www.apachepokerchips.com/imag...pokerchips.jpg


Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Yeah, I like the way that looks. I will have to give Dennis a call and see if this type of edge spot is an option at the same price. Maybe do it with both (all) lower-denom chips?

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/7870/ckce7hx.jpg

warewulf 01-09-2005 05:56 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Maybe even the moon inserts for one of the chips?

grandgnu 01-09-2005 05:57 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Hey Ray! Good luck with the group buy, hope you enjoy the new chips! Right now I'm working on a custom poker table before I got with a chip upgrade.

Got a player at my events who's going to custom-build a racetrack style table with cupholders. He even wants me to do a custom graphic/logo for the felt portion of the table. I think we're going with "Triple Threat Poker". Just gotta work on my designs.

Anyway, catch ya later man, maybe at tha' Woods sometime!

AJ

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 05:58 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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Maybe even the moon inserts for one of the chips?

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I'm fairly certain changing the edge spot shape will rasie the price. But if not, I am definitely willing to mix it up a little. I will check with Dennis tomorrow and get back to you.

PinataUT 01-09-2005 05:59 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
I'm pretty sure that you can do the $1 I proposed for the same price as the other 4*2 chips. These are just white-white, blue-blue, white-white.

If you're going to do $1 and $5 different than the others, might I suggest that you leave off the white spots on the $1 (so it will have dark blue chip with light blue at 12 and 6... Dennis would fill in the 3 and 9 inserts with dark blue). I'm 99.44% sure this would work out and look ok (e.g. insert composition and chip composition are the same, right?).

PinataUT 01-09-2005 06:02 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
I'm not crazy about the moons, in general. But mock-ups might make that easier.

Also: any chance to do a single non-denominated chip people could use for fill-ins as a $2.50 or $1,000?

I don't think you're going to have a problem hitting 5k on this order.

leetpants 01-09-2005 06:32 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
I think the Red would look good with white/yellow or white/orange edge spots.

I dont really like how the blue looks with the yello/red.

I also agree that the 500 would look good with either the moon shape, or a 5 single spotted edge. They look really nice otherwise.

I may be in for 300-500 depending on pricing and what the final designs look like.

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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I'm pretty sure that you can do the $1 I proposed for the same price as the other 4*2 chips. These are just white-white, blue-blue, white-white.

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Yes, I agree. I was only referring to the half-moon for the price increase. And if we were able to use the half-moon, I would only want to use it on one chip - either the smallest denom or the highest.

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If you're going to do $1 and $5 different than the others, might I suggest that you leave off the white spots on the $1 (so it will have dark blue chip with light blue at 12 and 6... Dennis would fill in the 3 and 9 inserts with dark blue). I'm 99.44% sure this would work out and look ok (e.g. insert composition and chip composition are the same, right?).

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Yes, I am sure they could probably do this as well. I will hopefully clear all these issues up tomorrow. You mean this?

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/9660/ckc1b7fh.jpg

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Also: any chance to do a single non-denominated chip people could use for fill-ins as a $2.50 or $1,000?

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Absolutely. I think this is a great idea. Color suggestions? Maybe gray? Or orange?

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I don't think you're going to have a problem hitting 5k on this order.

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I hope you're right!

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 06:44 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
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I think the Red would look good with white/yellow or white/orange edge spots.

I dont really like how the blue looks with the yello/red.


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How about something like this:

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/5339/kck5b5br.jpg

leetpants 01-09-2005 06:54 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
Thats pretty good, how does it look with double spots with oragne and white?

PinataUT 01-09-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
http://img86.exs.cx/img86/9660/ckc1b7fh.jpg
Yes, that's it.

For the 'non-denom' chip:
pink with 4*red/black
yellow with 4*orange/light blue
yellow with 4*double-black
light green with 4*double-black

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 07:16 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
I've cleaned up the images on a couple chips a bit:

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/3162/ckcf4dq.jpg

KungFuSandwich 01-09-2005 07:41 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
For a filler chip you could steal the Orange with Blue halfmoons from the KGB chipset

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 08:44 PM

\"Filler\" Chips
 
Here are some initial ideas for the non-denomination "filler" chips.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/5087/ckcfillers1rj.jpg

warewulf 01-09-2005 09:16 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
I'd like to see the $1 chip like the $5 with the opposite end spots and double spots on the $5. I would probably use these mostly for cash games and would use mostly $1's and $5's.

I also think maybe a hot-stamped .25 or .50 chip with no spots would be good.

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 09:19 PM

Black and Purple Color Choices
 
Sorry to keep throwing more and more images out there, but I've been looking at these all day, and am just hoping to get some more feedback...which one does everyone like for both the black and the purple chips, the originals (1) or one of these (2, 3, and 4)?

http://img85.exs.cx/img85/636/ckcbp0vf.jpg

ncskiier 01-09-2005 09:24 PM

Re: Black and Purple Color Choices
 
I like the original $500 and #3 $100.

warewulf 01-09-2005 09:25 PM

Re: Black and Purple Color Choices
 
I like the #4 $500, black and orange spots.

Not sure about the $100. I think red would look good as one of the stripe colors - maybe red and light blue spots?

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 09:39 PM

Re: Black and Purple Color Choices
 
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Not sure about the $100. I think red would look good as one of the stripe colors - maybe red and light blue spots?

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http://img85.exs.cx/img85/2082/black50ah.jpg

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 09:57 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
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Thats pretty good, how does it look with double spots with oragne and white?

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If we went with this, the $500 would have to change. No biggie though. See below.

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I'd like to see the $1 chip like the $5 with the opposite end spots and double spots on the $5. I would probably use these mostly for cash games and would use mostly $1's and $5's.

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http://img59.exs.cx/img59/9392/1and50rk.jpg

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I also think maybe a hot-stamped .25 or .50 chip with no spots would be good.

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I do not want any hot-stamping, but we will definitely need a $0.25 as well. Maybe the gray - something like this? Any other desired denominations ($2.50, $1000, $5000), I think whatever we choose for a filler will have to suffice.

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/4596/ckcfillergray27qc.jpg

Lumpy 01-09-2005 10:24 PM

Re: Custom King\'s Crown Group Buy
 
I like the red w/ orange/white much better. I would like to see a $1000 chip. I think the yellow/black combo would be a good choice for it. I think it would be even better with moons if that could be done at the same cost.

leetpants 01-09-2005 10:35 PM

Re: Black and Purple Color Choices
 
I think that if the 500 is purple, then the 100 shouldnt have purple on the edges. I think a lt blue/orange, yellow, or white would look good. Along with a green/white.

Just throwin some ideas out there.

Also i like the red with the orange/white

paulsonchips 01-09-2005 10:43 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Also ask Dennis if thier racks will fit the TRKINGS flush. He sells the racks for 5.00 each. I think its worth it if the chips will fit flush.

The normal racks out there do not fit the kings well. They wobble a lot. Especially when you have 4 or 5 of them stacked up together.

Slow Play Ray 01-09-2005 11:22 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Okay, here's where we're at for now. I tried to take all suggestions into account in one form or another while making these changes. I'm still pretty up in the air on the edge spot colors for the $500. This is still just a rough idea - I will know more about our ability to vary the edge spot styles tomorrow.

$0.25 (may be non-denom) - Gray w/ Double-Wide Red/Black
$1 - Dark Blue w/ Double-Wide Light-Blue/White
$5 - Red w/ Dual White/Orange
$25 - Green w/ Dual Light-Green/Pink
$100 - Black w/ Dual Lavender/Gray
$500 - Purple w/ Dual White/Light-Teal
$1000 (may be non-denom) - Yellow w/ 2x Double-Wide Black

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/787/customkingscrownb2wg.jpg

paulsonchips 01-09-2005 11:52 PM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
What about the $5's with yellow and orange spots?

Slow Play Ray 01-10-2005 01:34 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Same color schemes, but better-looking mockups, as I've basically taught myself how to use Photoshop today:

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/7892/set1copy7se.jpg

PinataUT 01-10-2005 01:47 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
I like red w/ orange+yellow over orange+white since 2 other chips use white edge spots and there's no use of yellow except in the yellow chip. Might not matter at all...

Question regarding orange/whatever on red - does that tend to wash out or does that look really good?

Ray, do these look pretty well done?
gray
blue 1
green 25
black 100
yellow

purple - edge spot tweak ?
red - possible edge spot tweak ?

paulsonchips 01-10-2005 04:26 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
$5's and $25's are PERFECT!
I think the yellow chip (prob $1000 need more spotting, generally the chips with higher den have more spotting, and the lower end sometimes dont at all, as edgespotting was first designed to prevent fraud)


Try the $100 Black w purple/light Blue Edge Spotting
$500 pink and gray spotting.

See what that looks like. Im in for 500 but I just might go for 1000 if it looks real good. Whats the next tier pricing below .85?

Slow Play Ray 01-10-2005 08:45 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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$5's and $25's are PERFECT!
I think the yellow chip (prob $1000 need more spotting, generally the chips with higher den have more spotting, and the lower end sometimes dont at all, as edgespotting was first designed to prevent fraud)

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Going to wait on the yellow until I hear back from Dennis on what exactly I can do.

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Try the $100 Black w purple/light Blue Edge Spotting
$500 pink and gray spotting.

See what that looks like.

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http://img44.exs.cx/img44/8582/100b500b1nv.jpg

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Im in for 500 but I just might go for 1000 if it looks real good. Whats the next tier pricing below .85?

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He did not give me another price level, just $0.85 for 5,000+.

Slow Play Ray 01-10-2005 08:47 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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I like red w/ orange+yellow over orange+white since 2 other chips use white edge spots and there's no use of yellow except in the yellow chip. Might not matter at all...

Question regarding orange/whatever on red - does that tend to wash out or does that look really good?

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Most people seem to prefer the orange/white...thoughts from anyone else? What do you mean by washout?

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Ray, do these look pretty well done?
gray
blue 1
green 25
black 100
yellow

purple - edge spot tweak ?
red - possible edge spot tweak ?

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I would say the whole thing is still a work in progress, as many people who were interested in the group buy have not even seen the mockups yet! But it's a good start, I hope...

X-Files 01-10-2005 10:43 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
I like the pink and grey on the black. What about a darker purple with edge spots as below.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/thedib...00b500b1nv.jpg

KungFuSandwich 01-10-2005 10:56 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
I think you have to go with the black with blue and purple. That chip is awsome. I havent seen any other designs that come close IMO.

I also like the 1 and 5 to have different edgespots. It seems appropriate since that is how they do it in many casinos.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/3162/ckcf4dq.jpg

I like this set.

One thing that might look good on the green chip is a Pink/Black edgespot. But this one looks good too.

Slow Play Ray 01-10-2005 11:17 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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I like the pink and grey on the black. What about a darker purple with edge spots as below.

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T.R. King only has one color "purple" (they also have "pink" and "lavender") - I took a guess as to what it looks like. Chances are, it is probably closer to what you showed.

See here for T.R. King chip color choices. These samples aren't that accurate - I know for a fact the dark blue looks nothing like that picture. But it's a good list of options at least.

X-Files 01-10-2005 11:19 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Some more ideas. I like the blue with white and light blue.
The green with Light green an pink. See the changes made to the other chips. Just some ideas.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/thedib...et1copy7se.jpg

Slow Play Ray 01-10-2005 11:19 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
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I think you have to go with the black with blue and purple. That chip is awsome. I havent seen any other designs that come close IMO.

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That was actually black w/ purple and light teal. I will make a better mockup of it to consider when I get home later.

X-Files 01-10-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Double Wide Edge Spots
 
Someone needs to work on the T.R. King site it is horrible.

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I like the pink and grey on the black. What about a darker purple with edge spots as below.

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T.R. King only has one color "purple" (they also have "pink" and "lavender") - I took a guess as to what it looks like. Chances are, it is probably closer to what you showed.

See here for T.R. King chip color choices. These samples aren't that accurate - I know for a fact the dark blue looks nothing like that picture. But it's a good list of options at least.

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