That KT vs 76s

[David Sklansky]

It occurred to me that it was odd that I said that I would MUCH rather have 76d than KToffsuit in a multiway pot when the flop was K65 with one diamond. I don't know what I wrote, but I'm sure I meant to write that I would much prefer it if SOMEONE ELSE HAS BET. Does anyone disagree with that?

[Michael Davis]

In an unraised pot, no. If you add the stipulation that all of the opponents only bet with top pair or better, then yes.

-Michael

[Dynasty]

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...I'm sure I meant to write that I would much prefer it if SOMEONE ELSE HAS BET. Does anyone disagree with that?

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Yes. I disagree with that. My reasons are essentially the same as in the other tread.

When somebody else has bet, the chances you are up aginast a stronger hand (KQ,KJ,66,55) have to be more seriously considered. But, when you've got 4 or 5 opponents, it's extremely likely that they are limping in with remarkably trashy hands including K4o.

Assuming there was no pre-flop raise (if there was, how come you're playing KTso or 76s?), it's very marginal to call even one bet with 76s drawing to a 6-outer at best including the backdoor draws. There's a chance you'll be folding your 76s on the flop and no chance you'll be seeing the river without improvement on the turn.

With KT, there's a good chance you're winning and don't need to improve at all. Holding a hand which should be winning on the flop a significant % of the time has to be better than a hand which will often be folded before the river.

[Aisthesis]

I'm guessing you guys are probably talking limit here, but in an NL game, I'd fold either hand to any serious bet without really giving it much thought in either case.

[cowboyzfan]

After reading over a 100 replies to the original thread with no resolution, I sure would like to see Sklansky, Mason, Dynasty, Miller, Clark meister et.al come in here and resolve this thing.