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ddubois · #1 06-25-2004, 12:43 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1695)
BB (t795)
UTG (t990)
MP1 (t120)
MP2 (t2250)
CO (t1545)
Button (t605)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks,

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t100, BB folds, MP2 calls t100.

Turn: (t350) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200.

River: (t750) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: t750
Main Pot: t750 (t750), between Hero and MP2. > Pot won by MP2 (t750).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qh Jh (two pair, aces and queens).
MP2 shows Kc Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins t750. 

Actually, this whole tournament kind of pissed me off, and I was a little tilty in my next one, causing me to do something stupid (re-raise a 6bb pre-flop raise with AQo; my rationale was people who raise that big don't want callers, like 77, but it's still so dumb).

I think I would like to post the whole tournament. Anyone have any thoughts on the best way to go about that? Are people fans of the replayer? (I don't really like how slow it is, but if other people like it...) Is is possible to post the whole log file, and intersperse formatted/converter hands that are interesting? (.TXTs too long?)

Also, once poker tracker has sucked the tournament report down and deleted it from the email server, is there some way to pull the whole report back out into a text file?

ddubois · #2 06-25-2004, 12:51 PM

This being the other hand that pissed me off. I know it's my own fault, turning into a calling station. I needed to do something on the flop, but I don't know what.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1220)
Button (t820)
SB (t815)
BB (t3020)
UTG (t1520)
MP (t605)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t275, Button calls t275, 2 folds,

Flop: (t700) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t100, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t900) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t100, Hero calls t100.

River: (t1100) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t100, Hero calls t100.

Final Pot: t1300
Main Pot: t1300 (t1300), between Hero and Button. > Pot won by Button (t1300).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows As Kc (high card, ace).
Button shows Jc Qh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t1300.

Sam T. · #3 06-25-2004, 01:06 PM

Thinking about this situation makes my head hurt.

Bet out at least half the pot (bet the whole thing if you're feeling manly) or check-fold.

If he flat calls you're stuck, of course. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Jason Strasser · #4 06-25-2004, 01:13 PM

You took both these hands too far.

The first hand you bet the flop, and shut it down after that. The second hand you either check/fold the flop, or you pot bet and shut it down on the turn.

Don't put your tournament on the line in situations like this. Matt Flynn in pot/no limit always says AK is the nut no pair in a game of two pair or better. Not quite applicable, but it sounds nice [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

dfscott · #5 06-25-2004, 01:19 PM

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You took both these hands too far.

The first hand you bet the flop, and shut it down after that. The second hand you either check/fold the flop, or you pot bet and shut it down on the turn.

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When you say "shut it down", does that mean check/fold or call it down?

Jason Strasser · #6 06-25-2004, 02:03 PM

shut it down is check/fold.

ddubois · #7 06-25-2004, 02:49 PM

Well, betting the pot costs 700 and doesn't give me a chance to catch overs/gutshot. He's going to call with overs and OESD. At least I only lost 300 post-flop my way. I mean, I "know" you're right, but... that's alot of chips to put in with ace-high.

EverettKings · #8 06-25-2004, 03:41 PM

Another option is to check-raise strong on the flop. If you check, a Q or KK is likely to bet out to test the waters, and you may well be able to push them off their hand when you play the role of a slowplayed Ace by check-raising. If you bet out people are going to be wary of giving you credit for an A, so hands like KQ and KK aren't going anywhere.

But this depends very much on the tone of the game. In a passive game, KK or a Q may check behind you, giving you no information. If it is checked behind you can lead out the turn strong, and they may still give you credit for a slowplayed Ace. If called there, check the river.

Jason Strasser · #9 06-25-2004, 04:15 PM

EEEEEEEP

I slightly misread hand two. You either push/fold on the flop. Checking and calling is not the best option. Here it looks like a check/fold. Pushing all in PF with AK wouldn't have been too bad either.

ddubois · #10 06-25-2004, 06:01 PM

Just for the record:

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6c 9d Th
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Kc 523 52.83 467 47.17 0 0.00 0.528
Jc Qh 467 47.17 523 52.83 0 0.00 0.472

So pushing is an interesting choice. Even if he shows me his OESD/overs, I should be happy. I didn't realize that. I'm ahead on this flop and have a higher than 50/50 chance of winning, there's 700 in the pot, I've got some fold equity and I represent an overpair (which he is a 2:1 dog to). But I can't see his hand...

If he has any pair, A9/AT/KT/JJ/whatever, I'm a 4:1 dog, and almost certainly he's going to call and I'm probably out of the tournament. (BTW, what hands can you put someone on when they cold-call a regular-sized preflop raise? I think a middling pair that wants to see if the flop has an A or a K before committing?) In terms of statistics, if all hands were equally likely, the odds of him having a 9, 6, or T is = 1 - (36/47 x 35/46) = 42%, right?

Does a flop lead-out push convey weakness/bluff? Who amoung you has the cajones to 1) push or to 2) check-raise all-in here? Do you prefer #1 or #2?