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Old 06-22-2004, 02:05 PM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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Default Did I get out of line here?

Villian has VP$IP of 32% and a pfr of 3%. Conclude what you will from these numbers...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls,

Flop: (4.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB
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Old 06-22-2004, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

I don't see what you could have done differently.
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Old 06-22-2004, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

I would probably still bet the river over 1/2 the time but the times I did bet the river I would probably get shown a straight or some runner flush and the times I didn't I would get shown 2 pair or worse.
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Old 06-22-2004, 04:21 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

Nope.. no problems with your play..
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Old 06-22-2004, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

Going by the PT stats you gave for the user he appears to be a little loose passive. A loose passive person probably wouldn't have 3 bet AJ, AT, or KQ preflop. And he likely would have called with Ax and JT. I would bet this river as well. I think he would have played AT, JT, KQ all the same way, but you will see the AT and JT more often than the KQ.

The fact that he only called the river bet suggests he didn't make the straight as well. Most players at 3/6 will go 3 bets with broadway even if the back door flush does hit on the river. I am guessing you got shown AT and took down the pot.
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Old 06-22-2004, 04:38 PM
Garbonzo Garbonzo is offline
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

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Going by the PT stats you gave for the user he appears to be a little loose passive. A loose passive person probably wouldn't have 3 bet AJ, AT, or KQ preflop. And he likely would have called with Ax and JT. I would bet this river as well. I think he would have played AT, JT, KQ all the same way, but you will see the AT and JT more often than the KQ.

The fact that he only called the river bet suggests he didn't make the straight as well. Most players at 3/6 will go 3 bets with broadway even if the back door flush does hit on the river. I am guessing you got shown AT and took down the pot.

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I'm confused. Why is he more likely to see a JT or A-10? 3 Tens are accounted for. No K's or Q's accounted for.

I put the BB on KQ, he is scared of the flush on the river. Raises the nuts on the turn...back to passive when the spade hits.

I'm quite the rookie, but posters play looks fine to me.
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:22 PM
arkady arkady is offline
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

According to PT your opponent is not particularly aggresive, although his post flop play is difficult to gauge.

In any event his cap on the turn is disturbing, but its either 2 pair or QK (maybe 44). Dont like the river bet though. Would you seriously enjoy calling a raise on the river? If not, check call - unless he is not aggressive, but actually passive and you fear he will check the river through, but I find that unlikely.

I guess I need to know whether u expected a raise? Only then can the river bet be discussed.
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

I play it the same way. I'm a little worried about KQ, but he'll have 2 pair often enough that your 3-bet will be profitable.

I think the river bet is more interesting. he's obviously scared of the flush. he's not scared you had a better hand on the turn. for a passive player to cap the turn you'd have to think he had the nuts or close to it. passive players also tend to slowplay less, so a flopped set or flopped 2 pair is less likely. I really think he has KQ, and I'd probably consider it for a couple of seconds, but I think I'd check behind.

if he doesn't have KQ and I just checked behind on the river, then well, I'm an idiot and I suck at hand reading.
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:30 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

the river check raise after putting in the last bet on the turn is a very aggressive and tricky move. I'm not giving this idiot credit for making it. I'm almost positive that he doesn't have the flush.

the question is whether it's more likely he has KQ/AA/JJ or 77/44/AJ/AT

I think AT or KQ are the most probable, with KQ being most likely.
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Did I get out of line here?

I'm assuming you lost to KQ or JJ?
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