KK hand with 2 all-ins

[Ferris Bueller]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1665)
CO (t3350)
Button (t1365)
SB (t1100)
BB (t1680)
UTG (t1145)
Hero (t3195)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Hero raises to t300, MP2 folds, CO calls t300, Button folds, SB raises to t1100, BB raises to t1680, Hero ???

I make a standard opening raise hoping to pick up the blinds or get one caller or a shorter stack to go all-in. I'm a little concerened when both of the blinds go all-in. Added to the decision I have the CO, who has me covered, left to act after me.

What's your play?

[citanul]

Personally I don't think you can even consider folding.

I guess that that leaves few options:

1) go all in, you have KK, you're only in really bad shape if the guy who has you covered has AA.

2) call, if the CO comes into the hand, then there is future options, otherwise, hey, you have KK!

if the large stack calls, you can:

a) go all in on any flop
b) go all in on any non ace flop
c) some variant on these two that doesn't involve folding KK heads up for no real reason.

Personally, I heavilly heavilly lean toward going all in preflop. There may be a few hands that the CO will call along with if you just call that he otherwise would fold for an all in from you. The pot is already big, I don't htink you need to give him what may wind up as an OK call. If he wants to call your all in, more power to him. Sometimes he's going to have AA, more likely not.

My second favorite option here is to try as hard as I can to entice the big stack to put as many chips as possible in right now. In that line of thinking, I may as my mix it up play call, and then push on any non-ace flop as my default play, or some variant on it. The pot, if the CO calls, is huge, so he could easilly call you with TPTK or other such hands.

Anyway, so I'm big on pushing here, I'd love to see what others think.

citanul

[Dominic]

hmmm....interesting one...assuming you really don't know anything about your opponents, I might actually fold this hand simply because of the size of your stack..you're in gerat position, why risk busting out or crippling yourself if someone with A10 or AK happens to spike an A? Or a lower pocket pair hits his set?

If it was one person, it's an automatic call...and if the players going all-in have been loose, I'd move all-in to force the CO out...don't see how he calls unless he's got AA.

But I'd seriously consider folding this hand...can't believe it, I would. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[patrick dicaprio]

i have faced this situation twice and both times I folded. both times a player showed AA. so i would say fold but i am sure you will get others telling you to push or something.

Pat

[stripsqueez]

auto call i would of thought - if you win this pot you are gauranteed into the money and you get to play bully boy big time, such that first or second are extremely likely

if you lose the pot you are still in good shape

not here for a haircut

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[AtlBrvs4Life]

I'd say this totally depends on how your opponents have been playing. I would not be surprised at all to see someone with AA in this situation. This reminds me of one of the NL Q&As in TPFAP. I'd tell ya the page, but I don't have the book with me. Worth a read though.

[Jurollo]

I push. Chances are the 2 all-ins have AX or a smaller PP. If they both have AX is leaves only 2 more Aces for them to pair on the board giving you a little better odds of winning the hand.

[Ferris Bueller]

Thanks for all the responses. I used up most of my time bank here and finally decided to muck because even though I thought I had the best hand I liked my shot of making the money with the chip position I was in and didn't want to risk my position in a mutlti-way pot. I've never mucked KK pre-flop before.

Who still thinks this is weak?

Not to be results oriented but I did end up winning this SNG. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1665)
CO (t3350)
Button (t1365)
SB (t1100)
BB (t1680)
UTG (t1145)
Hero (t3195)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls t300, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t1100</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB raises to t1680</font>, Hero folds, CO calls t1380.

Flop: (t4760) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

Turn: (t4760) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

River: (t4760) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t4760

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows Qc 8c (two pair, jacks and eights).
BB shows 7h 7c (two pair, jacks and sevens).
CO shows Jh Ad (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: CO wins t4760. </font>

[esknights]

If you pushed I couldn't see the CO coming along as well. He would have to believe his AJ is dominated.

[2planka]

I'm stuck between call and push. Without a read (blinds are t100, but no read?), I'd tend toward calling but I'm wary of the CO. He only called the 300 raise, so I'd put him on a smaller pair or AK, but then again I'm no pro. Could he be slow playing AA? How does he usually play his big hands?

I'm leaning toward calling here, but if CO pushes behind I push too. With all those chips in the pot it's worth a gamble to me.

I've only been playing SNG's for a year, though, so I could very well be wrong.