Nothing more to say. Enjoy, fellas.

[Gamblor]

Source: IDF

[mosta]

Hmm. Interesting. So the average number of attempts has, what? tripled? That's "peace"? Isn't it only a matter of time before they find another approach? Of course the most effective way to eliminate suicide attacks by Palestinians would be to put them all in gas chambers, wouldn't it?

[Zeno]

I like the graphics. Should not the one box say: Start of Security Fence Construction? instead of 'Security Fence Construction', as this is an ongoing endevor and the fence did not materialize intact overnight.

-Zeno

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Hmm. Interesting. So the average number of attempts has, what? tripled?

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Many intelligent people would say that there would be an increase in crime reported if police patrols were increased. Essentially with more cops out there, more crimes are being thwarted or more arrested are being made.

So if Israeli forces beefed up their security and patrols, it is highly likely that more attacks are being thwarted. You will notice that the number of attacks have decreased, however the number of "arrests" have increased. Thats how security works.

[nicky g]

Build all the fences you want. Just build them on your own land.

[Dynasty]

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Build all the fences you want. Just build them on your own land.

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They conquered the land. It's theirs now. That's the way history works.

[MMMMMM]

Fence the whole place off and give them a country--fenced off, of course--since that obviously what is necessary to avoid undue bloodshed.

[MMMMMM]

Yes.

Also the British gave the Jews some land and gave the Palestinians other land. Most living Palestinians today have never even set foot on the land they claim a "right to return" to, so it's just so much hooey.

As I've said before, the Palestinians need to learn to get over it and get on with their lives--just as every other "dispossessed" peoples have done throughout history (and most of today's Palestinians aren't even truly "dispossessed", as they weren't even alive at the time Israel was created).

[jdl22]

I disagree. I don't think they need to get over it. I think they can and should fight for land they feel is rightfully theirs as should the Israelis. In the US for example many native groups continue to fight for land and rights they feel the US government took from them. In some cases they actually are able to win some of it back. Telling them they need to get over it will simply make them even more angry about the situation and dig in a little more for the fight. If you're trying to get people to be more reasonable telling them to get over it is a good path to failure.

The view that wronged people should "get over it" is a dangerous one. For example, what would you think if France told the US government that we should just get over the September 11 attacks. We would permanently change the name of French fries and bread. If you know a girl that has been raped and she has intimacy issues you would probably do well not to ask her to get over it.

What they should do (and we should be able to agree on) is change their method. Looking at it from a purely utilitarian point of view their method is simply not working. When you add the tragic element it is more clear.

[MMMMMM]

Insisting on a "right of return" is counterproductive. Furthermore, they SHOULD just get over it and get on with building industry, improving their education, becoming professionals, making money, etc. etc. etc. Someone needs to tell them that--because they are wasting ALL their energy (and young lives) tilting at windmills since they can never win this war.

From a purely selfish perspective, they should be working to better their lot instead of beating their heads against an iron wall. Instead of trying to make lemonade from their lemon, they are putting arsenic in it. Instead of trying to get richer, they are impoverishing themselves. Instead of moving on in life they are brooding over something that took place over 2 generations ago. Instead of living, they are dying. And all because they won't let go and move on with their lives and future.

At some point, obsession becomes highly self-destructive. Their culture today has become the very embodiment of a sick obsession with an unattainable goal.