Am I Leaking?

Haupt_234 · #1 05-14-2004, 02:05 AM

Typical play at a typical table?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB
Main Pot: 5.75 BB, won by MP1.
Pot 2: 1 BB, overbet by MP1.

Results in white below: 
MP1 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP1 wins 6.75 BB. 

Haupt_234

Chaos_ult · #2 05-14-2004, 02:35 AM

I don't think you can call on the turn. The flop bet was standard (since you raised preflop), but I think checking/folding the turn is correct. You need 7-1 odds to chase overcards.

joker122 · #3 05-14-2004, 02:41 AM

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You need 7-1 odds to chase overcards.

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Don't forget he has a gutshot, too.

I play it the same.

LAGmaniac · #4 05-14-2004, 02:42 AM

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I don't think you can call on the turn. The flop bet was standard (since you raised preflop), but I think checking/folding the turn is correct. You need 7-1 odds to chase overcards.

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He has more like 5 to 1 because of the gutshot, I think it's worth a call, but betting may be better.

FletchJr. · #5 05-14-2004, 02:48 AM

I disagree. he's got a 4 outer to the straight which is going to happen one out of 11 times. If he makes it he can assume he gets a c/r on the river, which actually makes the turn odds 9 to 1. Not only that he's got 2 overcards which adds up to 6 outs assuming they're all good. He's only up against 1 player also. and IMO he should of bet the turn, called a raise, and folded the river if he didn't improve.
raising with Qko then betting that flop and check folding on the turn really looks like weak poker to me.

Chaos_ult · #6 05-14-2004, 03:10 AM

Erm, totally overlooked the gutshot.

Thank you for pointing that out to me.

Kluddeludde · #7 05-14-2004, 05:10 AM

I was going to post, but you summed it up pretty well. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kludde

Randy Burgess · #8 05-14-2004, 08:22 AM

... and here's why: It creates a long-term problem, not just for this hand.

Much of the time you raise it's going to be with overcards. If a good opponent is watching you and realizes that you are going to check a missed turn even when you're headup, all they have to do from now on is automatically call your flop bet, no matter what they have, to see what you'll do on the turn. If you check as you did, in many cases they're betting no matter what they hold, knowing you might call the turn with just overcards but will surely fold the river. This is especially true if small cards hit.

In three-way or head-up play you must vary your actions more to avoid getting read this easily. In this case you ample value to call a turn bet, so you should have bet the turn yourself to reduce the chances of him steal-betting the river.

If you have trouble in this area, head over to a short-handed table and get some practice.

RED_RAIN · #9 05-14-2004, 08:39 AM

I wouldn't preflop raise UTG+1 with KQo muchless even KQs.

Rico Suave · #10 05-14-2004, 09:07 AM

Red Rain:

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I wouldn't preflop raise UTG+1 with KQo muchless even KQs.

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You should consider doing so, especially with KQs.

--Rico