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Old 05-13-2004, 02:59 PM
Trix Trix is offline
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Default Did I play this well ?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.66 BB
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Old 05-13-2004, 03:04 PM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

Hey Trix:

Played fine, if UTG is reasonable.

--Rico
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Old 05-13-2004, 03:18 PM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

No reads, seems fine.

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Old 05-13-2004, 04:04 PM
Saborion Saborion is offline
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

So why can't hero have the best hand?
Why not bet the turn, fold to a c/r, trying to go for a free showdown? Because people at 3/6 and above generally bet the river with their pair of aces?
The pot is too small?

I'd bet here, but apparently it's not the right thing to do?
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Old 05-13-2004, 04:08 PM
JTG51 JTG51 is offline
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

I'd bet the turn most of the time too.

I'd only check the turn if I either had a really good read on the opponent or if I planned to call a river bet.
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Old 05-13-2004, 05:00 PM
Saborion Saborion is offline
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

Against an habitual bluffer, would you check the turn and call the river bet?
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Old 05-13-2004, 05:04 PM
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The only hand that I can beat that I can see him calling the flop with is KdQd and I dont think he will have that often enough...
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Old 05-13-2004, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

if this worries you even one bit, all you have to do is ask what can UTG have. Unless you dont have a read on him raising UTG with random garbage, its a safe lay down.

You could be up against TT, KQ, 99 - all possible UTG raises. But you could also be up against AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KJ, KK, JJ - so um, i think you are beat 1 out of every 2+ times here.

Although he did play the hand strangely, I almost inclined to believe he had TT/99....oh well, not to worry.
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Old 05-13-2004, 06:05 PM
BaronVonCP BaronVonCP is offline
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I don't like it. Bet the turn and check the river. Or check the turn and call the river.

Unless you know the opponent will only call the flop with top pair, and will never bet without a hand that beats you.
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Old 05-13-2004, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Did I play this well ?

Feel blessed, I somehow wandered out of the Zoo and into the SS forum.

The hand is played fine, except for the river fold which is awful. This is a Party 3/6 UTG raiser. He's not just going to have AA-JJ, AK, AQ he'll often times have the additional hands:
AJ, ATs (ok, these are bad too)
TT-77
KQ, KJ suited or unsuited (KQdd obviously the most likely)
QJs, QT suited (but not neccessarily diamonds)
JTs
Sometimes pairs all the way down to 22.

You're certainly better than 5.66-1 to win here. It's not like you're facing a Malmuth UTG raise. Folding these rivers is a major leak.

Edit to add: I actually prefer to bet the turn here and fold to a check raise and then check the river unless I improve. You have to be able to lay your hand down to a check raise here of course for this to be the correct play (which I think Trix wouldn't have a problem doing.) However, the difference in EV from this play and checking the turn and then bet/calling the river is rather minimal. The trick here is you actually have to call the river.
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