KQs

ddubois · #1 05-13-2004, 07:09 AM

This was painful...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Just calling OK? I figure I want the multi-way action with this hand.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players) 
BB bets, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

From 9 to 15 outs worth a semi-bluff raise? I assume it would have 0% chance of folding everyone out of this massive pot.

River: (16.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) 
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero folds.

If CO was on the same flush draw as me with the ace, that would have been even more painful had I hit. Seems unlikely however, as the K, Q, and J are all accounted for and he raised pre-flop.

Final Pot: 18.16 BB
Main Pot: 18.16 BB, between BB and UTG+1. > Pot won by BB (18.16 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
UTG+1 shows Qs Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 18.16 BB.

BB must be mildly retarded capping his 2-outter with an overcard on the board. Add to buddy list?

Guido · #2 05-13-2004, 07:34 AM

I fold preflop. The rest was fine and make a note about the BB he's a moron.

Guido

bernie · #3 05-13-2004, 09:59 AM

I wouldve folded this preflop in this spot.

b

BigEndian · #4 05-13-2004, 11:07 AM

Please explain. It looks like an easy call preflop to me. There's a world of hands the CO could be raising with.

- Jim

Lost Wages · #5 05-13-2004, 11:26 AM

I would never fold preflop in this spot. 3-betting is a distinct option. On the turn you can raise 3 players with 15 outs for value.

Lost Wges

Haupt_234 · #6 05-13-2004, 11:29 AM

I would 3-bet the flop as you have position and need less opponents with your hand. Try for the isolation raise.

Haupt_234

Guido · #7 05-13-2004, 12:11 PM

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] With only 1 limper it's raise or fold to me. With no reads I fold. There aren't many hands that are worth a cold call. You want at least two or three limpers before the CO to make a cold call right IMO.

Guido

BigEndian · #8 05-13-2004, 01:16 PM

3-betting is good too, mainly because you don't care if the early limper comes along or not. To me, the CO could be raising with 55-AA and many paint card combos in between as well as Aces as low as A8s. I want to play my KQs against those hands.

Sure, the player is unknown, but I don't avoid playing in these situations because of that. On average, unknown players will be raising hands in the CO with one limper with a set of hands not much smaller than the one I stated above.

- Jim

Guido · #9 05-13-2004, 01:59 PM

I don't think that's true. An unknown doesn't raise 55-99 and doesn't raise A8s-ATs, I've almost never seen players raise in CO with QJo, KJo, QTo, KTo. We do but not an unknown. So I have to disagree with you.

Guido

ddubois · #10 05-13-2004, 05:23 PM

He's in the cutoff! It's a group 2 hand! Folding has got to be a distant third choice.

I'm still not sure about raising though. If CO really is raising a hand that dominates me like AQo, I really do want a big field for the flush/straight.

I didn't realize raising the turn would be for value until thinking about it some more this morning. I had perfect position for it too - all opponents had already put one in, so they clearly would have put in a second. Dang.